Who is the adult (Was: Who's to blame for Occlumency?)

[darrin_burnett]

No: HPFGUIDX 100740


> 
>    How about by stealing Snape's supplies to brew illegal potions, 
> splashing engorgement potion on half the class in the process? And 
> Harry's flagrant disregard for rules is something that concerns 
even 
> DD, not to mention the kid's smart mouth. Basically the two of them 
> got off to a bad start, (which was Snape's fault) and went downhill 
> from there.


Let's see.

Brew an illegal potion, which he did trying to find the Heir of 
Slytherin, something Snape was unable to do.

vs.

Hold an adolescent grudge against a kid who barely remembers his 
father, let alone learned anything from him.

When will someone deal with the fact that Snape is 20-25 years OLDER 
than Harry and is in a position of authority, meaning he's supposed 
to behave better. 

Adults are supposed to behave better than children. Bottom line. 

Maybe Snape just needs to grow up.


  
> 
>    Ah, but it wasn't just Quirrell was it? Voldy is there inside Q -
 
> and I've wondered for some time how SS explained that away.

Actually, it never really has. One of the major holes I've seen in 
SS/PS is that Snape apparently was on to Quirrell pretty early on and 
Quirrell was allowed not only to walk around, but to teach. Quirrell 
should have been locked up somewhere while D-Dore tried to figure out 
a way to separate the two.

Unless Snape kept it to himself out of ego, because HE wanted to be 
the one to save Harry. No, our man Snape wouldn't do anything so base 
and petty, would he?

 
>    The point is *Snape* doesn't know Harry's in no danger! (nor do 
> Harry, Hermione and Ron) he goes into the Shrieking Shack believing 
> he will be at imminent risk from a desperate outlaw wizard and his 
> accomplice. Intent counts for something here.

Actually, I believe he goes into the Shrieking Shack wanting to 
capture Sirius Black. Of course, Snape is so arrogant that he 
believes Sirius and Lupin are working together AND that he can defeat 
the both of them.

Perhaps Snape should have notified Dumbledore that he had proof 
Sirius and Lupin were together? Hm? That would be the smart thing.

And while we're on the subject, Sirius saved unconscious Snape from 
Lupin Wolf by turning into a dog and tussling with Lupin. Harry saved 
unconscious Snape from the dementors.

So, at worst, let's call them even. At best, Snape owes Harry one.

  
> > Am I missing another time?
> 
>    As a matter of fact yes. You are forgetting that Snape goes into 
> the Dark Forest to search for Harry and co. when they don't return 
to the school - unaware that they have gone off to rescue Sirius. If 
> that isn't risking his life I don't know what is.

Actually, D-Dore says he intended to search the Forest. I don't 
credit Snape for much in OoP, because we know he is under the orders 
of D-Dore. That has to be taken into account. Snape knows that if he 
lets Harry get killed, D-Dore will be royally upset.
     
> 
>    Glad that Harry has seen one of the most humiliating moments of 
> his life? I don't think so. Harry's violation of Snape's privacy 
goes way beyond a mere 'screw up'. Harry knew the pensieve held 
thoughts Snape didn't want him to see, he deliberately intruded on 
the off  chance that they might contain the information he wants so 
badly  about the DoM and, like eavesdroppers, learned more than he 
wanted to know. Serves him right.
>  

We're done. I left this list once before because I found a disgusting 
and disturbing hatred for Harry Potter amongst many of the posters. 
I'm sorry to see nothing much has changed.


>    The fact is Snape could have gone on teaching Harry occlumency 
til the cows came home and it would have done not a lick of good. 
Harry didn't want to close his mind to Voldy - he wanted to know what 
was behind the door. No number of classes would have changed that.
> 
>    It all comes back to Harry I'm afraid.


Keep saying that. Maybe it'll come true, even.

Darrin