New thoughts on Occlumency

[Stefanie]

No: HPFGUIDX 100913


> "Stefanie" wrote:
> How does LV not know where Snape's loyalties lie when DD lets 
> everyone know that Snape was a spy at Karkaroff's trial? If he 
> didn't know in the first 4 books, then after the DE break-out in 
> OotP when those in prison are reunited with those who remained in 
> public life, wouldn't someone have warned that DD vouched for Snape?

Lady Macbeth replied:
> Perhaps.  But, as Sirius mentioned in Prisoner of Azkaban, a lot 
> of those same Death Eaters were certain that "the traitor had turned 
> traitor again" - that Peter Pettigrew was responsible for Voldemort's 
> disappearance at the Potters.  A lot of them would have likely come 
> back badmouthing Pettigrew and speculating that he had gone back to 
> Dumbledore as well, and since Voldemort knew better than that, he 
> wouldn't have as much reason to feel they were right about any other 
> Death Eaters going back to Dumbledore.  After all, it was Voldemort 
> himself who pointed out how many of them seemed "less than loyal" in 
> trying to find him after he disappeared.
 

Stefanie:
"Get up, Avery," said Voldemort softly. "Stand up. You ask for 
forgiveness? I do not forgive. I do not forget. Thirteen long 
years ... I want thirteen years' repayment before I forgive you. 
Wormtail here has paid some of his debt already, have you not, 
Wormtail?" (GoF 33)

'Get it himself?' shrieked Bellatrix, over a cackle of mad laughter.
The Dark Lord, walk into the Ministry of Magic, when they are so 
sweetly ignoring his
return?[...]'
'So, he's got you doing his dirty work for him, has he?' said 
Harry. 'Like he tried to get Sturgis to steal it - and Bode?'
'Very good, Potter, very good
' said Malfoy slowly.' (OotP 35)

'Oh, you don't know Potter as I do, Bellatrix,' said Malfoy 
softly. 'He has a great weakness for heroics; the Dark Lord 
understands this about him. Now give me the prophecy, Potter.' (OotP 
35)

The DEs living publicly are in "thirteen years of service" to LV. LV 
cannot just waltz around getting his own information because he's 
quite wanted (also, Sirius tells us that Voldemort probably didn't 
kill Regulus because he gets others to do that unimportant work...or 
something to that effect). Lucius says that Bellatrix doesn't know 
Harry like he does -- but Voldemort knows Harry's "weakness for 
heroics." Where would he get the idea to use Sirius? Where would he 
get the idea to play on Harry's heroics?

LV _is_ using information that he gets from his DEs...just because 
none of them could deduce that Peter was really alive (something no 
one but LV could've because he's been with him all through GoF) 
doesn't mean he can afford to discount all of their information -- 
and if he thinks someone is trying to betray him...he is a skilled 
Legilimens (Occlumency is portrayed as a rare gift or else, as is 
being debated, anyone other than Snape could've taught Harry.)

If a publicly living DE were to tell LV about DD vouching for Snape 
as a spy, I don't see why he would have a reason not to believe them.

Stefanie