Long lived

[snow15145]

No: HPFGUIDX 101030


snip of my previous post (snow)
> > As for the scar
 Like I said previously, the attempt of the AK 
hit 
> > Harry but because of Lily's protection, that is stated above, 
didn't 
> > kill him, but it still attempted to hit him causing Harry to be 
> > struck and scared at the attempt, but not killed. So the initial 
hit 
> > of green light struck Harry but rebounded leaving a scar
went to 
Lily 
> > killing her
then to Voldemort and finally rebounding on the now 
> > unprotected child (because all of Lily's charms have now been 
used) 
> > that received some of Voldemort's powers. A whole lot of green 
light 
> > bouncing!  


Kneasy replied:
> Hang on a minute! 
> You've got curses bouncing round like ping-pong balls!
> And you've got the sequence wrong. The protection did not exist 
until
> after Lily had sacrificed herself. Lily died - that created the 
protection;=
>  as
> Voldy says:
> "His mother died in the attempt to  save him - and unwittingly 
provided 
> him with a protection I admit I had not forseen...I could not touch 
the boy=
> ."
> 
> "Unwittingly" is significant too - Lily didn't know what her 
sacrifice woul=
> d
> result in. There is an ambiguous little speech by DD in OoP chap 
37, where
> he says that he set up the protection for Harry, but whether it was 
the
> Privet Drive blood-relation variety, the anti-Voldy variety or both 
is uncl=
> ear.
> Frustrating. Deliberately so, I suspect.

Snow:
If we are to believe in what Voldemort says, I guess you could look 
at it from this point of view, but I am suspect to someone who has 
been known to lie. Even if what Voldemort says is not an out right 
lie it is still an assumption on his part that the charm was 
unwittingly administered. There are several reasons why I feel that 
the charm was purposely placed in advance. 
The first is the fact that DD asked to be secret keeper but was 
refused. I would think that DD would not feel that anyone other than 
himself could be 100% trusted with such an important task, so he 
would be a bit suspicious of the whole secret keeper protection at 
this point. If DD were suspicious of anyone else performing as the 
secret keeper, I would think that he would invoke some other 
protective factors in the event the fidelius charm should fail. DD 
could have spoke with Lily about some further protections for Harry 
in the event that Voldemort would break through the fidelius 
protection. 
The second reason to believe that this protective charm was not 
unwittingly applied is the fact that Lily is a very talented, bright 
witch. Many people have said this, so I think she should be regarded 
as a person, and more over a protective mother, that would have 
ensured more safety for her son than just the fidelius charm. Lily 
would had to have felt extremely secure in their secret keeper to 
have just relied on one protection. I really feel she had a back up 
plan or two just in case, especially since the secret keeper she was 
to rely on changed suddenly at the last minute. Lily and James would 
have had to feel somewhat like sitting ducks if this fidelius was 
there only source of protecting their son. 
In the end I guess it depends on how informed Lily and James were to 
the reason why Voldemort could possibly be coming after them. Did 
they know about the prophecy or that it could apply to their son? 
Were they in hiding for themselves or for protection of Harry? I have 
to admit that I view them as knowing about the prophecy and therefore 
would have had more than one protection for Harry's sake. Even if 
they didn't know of the prophecy, I would think that both of them 
would be bright enough not to keep all their eggs in one basket, so 
to speak, with only one source of protection.



Kneasy:
> What is clear is that it was Old Magic, something so obscure that 
Voldy
> disregarded it. 
>snip<
Snow:
Voldy as a young Tom Riddle didn't remember that the phoenix which he 
disregarded as an old song bird had special properties as well. He 
doesn't think of the old magic any more than he thought of the 
phoenix tears. Not very bright is he? Just another example of why I 
don't trust in what he states to be fact. It seems Voldy has a bit of 
sometimers.