Who is the adult (Was: Who's to blame for Occlumency?)

[lifeavantgarde]

No: HPFGUIDX 101092

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "delwynmarch" 
<delwynmarch at y...> wrote:
> 
> Stefanie wrote:
> > I don't think this quote indicates DD knew LV could put *false* 
> > visions in Harry's mind...I believe, however, that it shows the 
> > gravity of the situation at hand. DD knew that Harry could be 
used, 
> > and the effects of this were quite horribly shown in Arthur 
> > Weasley's attack. DD, as well as, I believe, Snape knew from 
> > Arthur's attack just how lethally LV could use Harry...
> > 
> > Snape, with this information, seemed to have put his pride, and 
> > hatred of James, above the well being of ALL of the Order 
members -- 
> > that is by no means excusable...whether Harry did or did not 
> > practice, whether his pride was wounded with the exposition of 
the 
> > Pensieve scene, Snape KNEW that in Voldemort's first attempt at 
> > using Harry through something else, he had been able to achieve 
a 
> > direct attack. If he really cared for the safety of the Order, 
that 
> > would be a more pressing issue than a "schoolboy grudge."
> 
> Del is confused :
> I'm not sure I understanD you. What do you mean when you say that 
LV
> used Harry ? During the attack on Arthur Weasley, Harry was only a
> witness of some kind, he didn't do anything, didn't provide any
> information or whatever. So how do you see that LV used him during
> this attack ?
> 
> As far as Snape knew, the greatest danger Harry could put the 
Order in
>  was if LV gained some knowledge about the Order's plans through
> Harry. But since Harry didn't know much anyway, the danger wasn't 
that
> bad. There was also a remote possiblity that LV might try and take
> over Harry completely, but the chances of his success were very 
small
> indeed.

Stefanie replies:
"'Sirius told me you felt Voldemort awake inside you the very night 
that you had the vision of Arthur Weasley's attack. I knew at once 
that *my worst fears were correct*: 
****Voldemort had realised he could use you.**** 
In an attempt to arm you against Voldemort's assaults on your mind, 
I arranged Occlumency lessons with Professor Snape.'" (OotP 37)
(emphasis mine, of course)

Harry wasn't a witness in the vision, he was in the snake -- 
depending on who he was relaying the story to, he changed his POV to 
assuage the situation. He told DD that he was *in* the snake. If 
Voldemort could have Harry in the snake, feeling the emotions of the 
snake:

"The dream changed
 His body felt smooth, powerful and flexible.
He 
was gliding between shining metal bars, across dark, cold stone..."
"Harry longed to bite the man
 but he must master the
impulse
 he 
had more important work to do..." (OotP 21)

According to DD, the attack on Arthur was proof of LV being able to 
mentally manifest Harry into a physical action. Snape DID know that. 
Not only was Harry a danger of becoming a source of information, he 
was a physical source of danger as well. DD knows this - DD arranged 
for Occlumency lessons with Snape - Snape knows this.

And Snape still abandons the lessons because he cannot seperate 
himself from his hatred of a dead man.