Kreacher goes over the wall & the Charmed House

[Susan]

No: HPFGUIDX 101114

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Jason" <shrtbusryder2002 at y...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Ravenclaw Black 
> <RavenclawBlack at C...> wrote:
> > > if Harry had tried to tell Umbridge where Sirius was, would he
> > > magically forget the location a split second before he 
attempted 
> to
> > > speak the words? Would the Fidelus Charm, make his mind go 
blank 
> on
> > > that subject, if someone tried to probe his mind with 
> Legilimency;
> > > would those memories be force blank by the Charm?
> > 
> > 
> > The way I took the Fidelus charm is this:  Harry could have told 
> > Umbridge the location of the house.  She could have gone there 
her 
> self, 
> > BUT she would not be able to find it.  If I remember, there was a 
> > passage in the book when someone says as long as the potters' 
> secret 
> > keeper remained quiet, Voldmort could have looked in the window 
of 
> their 
> > living room and not seen them eating dinner.  I would guess that 
> > Umbridge could even see OP memebers comming and going from the 
> house and 
> > still not been able to figure out exctally where they were 
comming 
> and 
> > going <i>from</i>
> 
> 
> 
> Another post from long ago (I'm making some progress while being 
> bored at 2:35AM)
> 
> Anyway, I always imgagined it going something like this...
> 
> 
> When Umbridge or anyone else forces Harry to reveal Sirius' 
> whereabouts, Harry says Number 12 Grimmauld Place! To which 
Umbridge 
> replies, Number What? Where?
> 
> I imagine her hearing the words but the words having no meaning to 
> her. Number Who? What place?!
> 
> Number 12 Grimmauld place!!
> 
> Whose place? This place?! Make sense Potter! Have you been given a 
> babbling beverage?!
> 
> Other times I'm reminded of Abbott and Costello, Who's on First? 
> Who? Exactly.
> 
> Jason

Susan (teilani) now:
I've been wondering the same things along different lines.  Surely 
the other Marauders, particularly Sirius (best man, Godfather) would 
know where his best friend lives.  Moony and Wormtail (and DD, and 
any other friends) would probably have known as well.  Why?  Because 
they're already in the know.  Just like the members of the new Order 
know where Grimmauld is, how to get in, etc.  However, what does that 
exactly mean for the Secret Keeper?  I don't think that it means that 
Wormtail was the _only_ one to know where J&L were, but that he was 
entrusted with keeping the Fidelus Charm going by keeping the 
secret.  Therefore, when he _told_ the secret, the charm preventing 
the DEs and LV from finding GH ended, and LV could now peek into 
their window and watch them eat their dinner.  Does this make sense? 
Now, since Harry is _not_ the secret keeper for Grimmauld, he cannot 
really reveal the secret, and Umbridge et al would still be in the 
dark as to its location.  Any thoughts?