What if other teachers behaved like Snape?
pippin_999
foxmoth at qnet.com
Mon Jun 14 04:40:30 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 101154
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> Alla:
>
> Eh, Pippin. I am always glad to give Snape a little credit where
its due, but in many of the situations on your list, we actually
have no idea whether Snape's motivations were rushing to
Hary's aid or something else.<
Pippin:
> > 1) The troll (PS/SS)
Alla:
> I think he arrived when all the fighting was already done by the
Trio<
Pippin:
It was, but the fact is that when Dumbledore needs a team to
deal with a dangerous situation he calls on McGonagall, Hagrid
and Snape. They are, as far as we know, the only three faculty
members who agreed to join the Order, or who were trusted
enough to be admitted. Neither of the other two have ever dared
to confront a Death Eater unless Dumbledore was with them.
Snape has.
It's true that Snape flubbed up badly at the Shack, and with
Occlumency, but the other two have also had their failures.
McGonagall didn't take Harry seriously when he warned her
about the threat to the stone in PS/SS and Hagrid blew it by
passing secret information to Voldemort. McGonnagal
blew it again when she let Barty get kissed. And Dumbledore
himself failed to teach Harry Occlumency or tell him about the
Prophecy in time.
>
> > 2) The broomstick (PS/SS)
>
Alla:
> I guess, together with Hermione.
Pippin:
As I said in another post this evening, if Hermione had done
what she meant to, Harry would have died.
> > 4) Confronting Quirrell (PS/SS)
>
Alla:
> Snape could have plenty of motivations confronting Quirrell.
helping Harry? How?<
Pippin:
"I do believe he worked so hard to protect you this year because
he felt that would make him and your father even." --Dumbledore,
PS/SS ch 17
Snape made it clear to Quirrell that he knew Quirrell was behind
the broomstick hex and asked for an explanation of "your little bit
of hocus-pocus." PS/SS ch 13. Of course Harry thinks this is
Snape trying to find out about Quirrell's enchantment, but that's
not the case since Snape wasn't trying to steal the Stone. Does
anybody think Snape couldn't have found his way past the
obstacles if he'd wanted to?
Alla:
> > 5) Guarding Harry when no one else thought the boy was in
any danger (PS/SS)<<
>
> I guess we are talking about broomstick again. You cannot
count it twice. :o)
I am talking about after the broomstick attack. "Harry didn't know
whether he was imagining it or not, but he seemed to be running
into Snape wherever he went. At times he even wondered
whether Snape was following him, trying to catch him on his
own. " PS/SS ch. 13 US hardcover p 221 I accept Dumbledore's
interpretation that Snape was trying to keep Harry alive.
> > 7) Keeping him away from the one-eyed witch (PoA)
Alla:
> Even though I reread PoA recently, to my shame, I don't
remember this one. Could you give me the page, please?<
Pippin:
US hardcover p 277. Harry knows that Snape suspects there is
something about the witch and this later kept Harry from going
to retrieve his invisibility cloak from beneath it, even before the
extra security precautions were introduced.
>
>
> > 8) Entering the willow after he found Harry's cloak and knew
he might be inside with a suspected Death Eater (PoA)
>
Alla:
> Sorry, I think he was operating in the mode revenge first,
children's safety - later.
Sorry, but I don't follow. If he didn't think he was going to find
evidence that Lupin was endangering the children, then there
wouldn't be any way to get revenge, would there?
> > 9) Taking care of unconscious Harry (PoA)
Alla:
> What other choice did he have? I think Dumbledore would have
killed him, if he would not have brought children to the castle.<
Pippin:
How would Dumbledore know? There were no witnesses,
except for TT!Harry, whom Snape did not see. Snape is a good
enough Occlumens to lie to Voldemort--he could have deceived
Dumbledore if he wanted to. In fact, aren't you saying that
Dumbledore *must* be deceived if he trusts Snape? You can't
have it both ways <g>.
> > 10) Confronting Mad-eye, whom he fears, on the stairs to
> > ensure Harry's safety (GoF)
Alla:
> If you mean near the end of GoF, together with McGonagall and
> Dumbledore then I agree. If not, then you got me puzzled.
Pippin:
I meant ch. 25, when he says that Harry needs to be stopped
from wandering around the school for his own safety.
Alla:
> > 13) Searching a forest full of hostile centaurs when Harry
was missing (OOP)
Pippin:
Oops. You're right there's no evidence Snape went into the
forest. Perhaps he couldn't--he was the last Order member at
the school, after all. But he did deduce where Harry had gone
and notified the Order.
Pippin
who should know better than to cite canon without giving chapter
and verse <g>
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