[HPforGrownups] Re:Snape & Harry

[Kathryn Cawte]

No: HPFGUIDX 101265

Alla
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> I think failure of Occlumency shows the opposite. Yes, one could
> argued that on the grand scale of things his behaviour was not "that
> bad", but general mistrust and hate which Harry feels towards Snape
> because of how Snape treated him those five years led to that
> disaster.
>
>
> I think it shows that Snape methods were incredibly wrong.
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K

I don't think Harry would have learned no matter who was teaching him. He
made it very clear he wasn't going to put any effort into it, and while he
irritates me like mad sometimes and I would like to cite that as an example
of him being a typically lazy teenage boy, I can't, because the reason he
didn't learn is he didn't understand why they were teaching him. Harry was
under the impression that what he was seeing was the truth and that it was
inadvertantly sent by Voldemort and hence that receiving it could only lead
to good things and that (this is more of an extrapolation than the rest)
that the teachers (DD especially) were trying to protect him. If someone,
*anyone* had actually explained *why* they were teaching him then he might
have actually bothered. His lessons ended because Snape got fed up with him
where another teacher might not have but he never learned anything while
they were continuing because he refused to try. Harry is not the sort of
child who will accept 'because I said so' as a reason to do anything and
while I think that's a bit of a shame as in a war there isn't always time to
explain *why* you're giving orders it's a little late now to start trying to
treat him like that. Dumbledore told him the lessons were important, Lupin
did, I think Sirius did, Hermione did (although admittedly she didn't know
why either) and Snape did. He ignored *all* of them, not just Snape

> K:
>
> As I argued earlier - Snape is in a position of
> > authority and whether or not he personally has earned Harry's
> respect, Harry
> > is a student and should be respectful towards all his teachers.
> >
> > K
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> Alla:
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> I disagree. respect should be earned. Yes, even by someone, who is in
> position of authority. If he blatantly abuses such position, he
> should not be respected, IMO.
>
K
I said Harry should treat him respectfully not that he should respect him.
There is a difference - next time a policeman pulls you over for something
you didn't do see how far being rude and disrespectful will get you with
him. Dumbledore couldn't force Harry to respect Snape, but he could force
him to treat him with respect. Do I think Harry being respectful would stop
Snape hating him? no, but it *might* make him reconsider his view that Harry
is the same arrogant little brat his father was and even if it didn't for me
Harry's outbursts reflect far more on Harry than they do on Snape. Harry's
being rude doesn't change the fact that Snape is unfair towards him but it
does remove what little sympathy I have for him. There is no excuse for
acting like an undisciplined, ill-mannered little brat any more than there
is any excuse for Snape being mean. I love Snape despite his faults and,
well I won't say I love Harry because he's a teenage boy and teenage boys
are all pretty unloveable, but I do love the person I can see Harry
becoming, despite his many faults.


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