Teenage Harry goes back in time to Godric's Hollow

[Ms Mo Me]

No: HPFGUIDX 101942


> I like the idea of a teenage Harry being at GH that
night.  Here 
are 
> my reasons: (that I can recall at the moment ;))
> 
> 1) In PoA (the movie), when Harry comes into contact
with the 
> Dementors, he hears his mother's screams.  Something
that I didn't 
> notice the first time around, is that Lily is
screaming "Harry!"  

> > 2) The theme of the movie was obviously time.  > 
> 3) The Lupin/Harry scene on the bridge.  Lupin tells
Harry "Your 
more 
> like them than you know, in TIME you will come to
see just how 
much."
> We also know that in the book, Lupin had the strange
look when he 
> asks Harry, "You heard James?" 
> 
> 4)  Sirius tells Harry right before he escapes with
Buckbeak, "The 
> ones we love never truly leave us."
 
> We know that JKR tells us that there were things in
PoA the movie, 
> that forshadowed what will happen in books 6 and 7. 
I think these 
> could be some of those things.  What do you think?


I completely agree that POA (movie) is making the time
theme even 
more clear than it was in the book.  I noted most of
the things you 
have in that regard.  I'm sure time is going to be one
of the keys, 
because of the room in the Ministry of Magic in OOTP
which is 
devoted to some form of time experiment.  It is
irrelevant to the 
Book 5 story but quite a lot is made of it. (Maybe a
more 
sophisticated device than the time turner awaits us in
later 
books.)  I've also just noticed that the first time we
meet 
Dumbledore, in Privet Drive, he consults "a very odd
watch".

Between your view that Lupin thinks James wasn't
really there, and 
Vmonte's view that it was Harry's body, not James's,
in the rubble 
(both of which are fascinating ideas) the question
arises - where 
WAS James?  (Surely a stray stag would have been
noticed in Godric's 
Hollow?)  If Lupin knew the answer, it would suggest
it was a full 
moon and James was off minding him, but wasn't it very
dark the 
night Harry was deposited on the Dursleys' doorstep?  

Also, for it to be Harry's body, we have to deal with
the fact that 
James came out of Voldemort's wand in GOF beside Lily,
so presumably 
that means he did die at a point in time reasonably
close to her.  
To get round that one, you would have to postulate
that it WAS an 
older Harry who died, however the Harry we have always
known 
actually IS James (time-turned). But that won't work
because (a) 
Harry has Lily's eyes, and (b) those who knew James
think Harry is 
similar but not the same.  Where it gets murky (you
thought it 
already HAD?) is that both of them bear an almost
equally striking 
resemblance to Tom Riddle.  So if all three of those
characters 
were, by some quirk of time, 18 the day Harry Lived,
they would ALL 
look similar. Anybody want to run with THAT ball?

On an unrelated note (except that it's still about
time) the 
interpolation that really fascinated me in the POA
movie was that 
the Harry in the first run-through feels physical pain
when the 
stone is thrown at him by Harry in the later
run-through. That feels 
very significant to me.  One possibility is that the
pain Harry 
always feels in the scar when Voldemort does things is
across time, 
not across space as we have hitherto supposed.  But
there could be 
lots of other ways this info is relevant.  




Mo now:

Sorry it has been so long since I have posted.  My
poor computer got a really bad virus (be carefull to
others out there and make sure you use a firewall!!) 
Anyway, I have periodically been able to check posts
from friends computers, etc. But now my computer is
back up and running.

Okay, onto the topic.....

I just reread the passage and the strange "look on
Lupin's face" was actually "'You heard James?' Lupin
said in a strange VOICE."

This makes MUCH more sense to me.  A strange voice
could be anything.  I interpreted it as Lupin choking
up.  You know how your voice goes strange when you are
trying not to cry and speak at the same time....

I think Lupin was really empathising with Harry at
that moment.  Lupin is the only character Harry has
made himself vulnerable to - even moreso than his
friends.  He cries in front of him, even though trying
to hide it.  And, he also divulges very personal
information to Lupin about what he hears and feels.   
I think Harry does this, subconciously, because Lupin
is an adult and Harry somehow feels safe and comfort
talking to him.  (He even is excited to hear his voice
again in OotP)  Even though Harry's friends are his
confidants too, they are also teenagers and don't have
the maturity or life experience to give him that adult
advice he needs.



I do like your theory about HP being at GH that night.
 But, I don't think it is the case.

A.  I don't think you can go back in time 17 years.
B.  It is shown in PoA that the events don't change
with time travel - they coexist at the same time so
the outcome is always the same - sort of like it was
always meant to happen
C.  The man's voice says "Lily."  I doubt that Harry,
if it was him, would call his mother "Lily" and not
"Mother."

Now, I have a little theory of my own on the matter. 
Harry's dad (or the debateable man in question) died
trying to save BOTH Harry and Lily.  So, wouldn't that
make another charm?  I am wondering if there isn't
some more ancient magic in the air that will pop up in
later books... sort of like a double life saving
charm....

I also still believe that Harry has some of his
parents', or definitely his mother's, soul in him. -
Hence, the whole same eyes thing.  I think that this
is also part of the lasting charm.

~Mo


	
		
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