What's wrong with being bad ?

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 101958

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "darrin_burnett" <

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> 
> Kneasy wrote earlier:
>  
> > He's entitled -  so long as he accepts responsibility for the 
> consequences. And this applies to *any* behaviour by *anybody*. A 
> condition that some  only apply to those they're not fond of. They 
> >change the rules for those they like.
> 
> I'm familiar with the concept of changing the rules, having read 
> numerous "Draco is just being picked on, but Harry is REALLY mean --
 
> look how he treats the Creeveys!" posts on this list.
> 
> > My tenets:
> > You are responsible for your actions.
> > You must accept responsibility for any consequences arising from 
> those  actions.
> 


Darrin:

 So... any fallout from any abuse, be it Harry's, Neville's or 
> Snape's, is ultimately the fault of THAT person, rather than the 
> subterranean layers of hate built up through abuse.
> 
> Good. Excellent. I like that. 
> 
> And my first application of the rules is:
> 
> Get.
> 
> Over.
> 
> It.
> 
> Snape.
> 
> Now.
> 
> That felt good!



Alla:


LOL, Darrin! You know, while I would often to choose to employ 
completely different debating tactics than those you use, I find your 
arguments about the characters (especially Snape :o)) to be very, 
very similar to mine.

That felt good indeed.

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Kneasy:
 
> 
> > He throws  Harry out of the Occlumency teaching. With what effect?
> > Not much, Harry wasn't going to learn anyway. Harry had already 
> decided not to co-operate. Any action by Snape was icing on the 
cake -
>  it just gave Harry *his* excuses - "It's all Snape's fault!" 
Wrong. 
> Does not compute.
> 
> 
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Darrin:

> Snape chose to give up. Whether he believed he was justified or not 
> is irrelevant. He made that choice and for his role, must accept 
the 
> consequences.
> 
> Just as Harry must accept his part, and I believe he ultimately 
will, 
> once the grief of Sirius' death fades a bit, for not applying 
himself 
> as diligently as he should have.



Alla:

I will say more. Not only Snape chose to give up, I believe he wanted 
to give up. I believe that he hated that task from the beginning and 
used  pensieve incident as convenient excuse to get out of that task.

Personally, I have no doubt that Harry will accept hi spart in that 
mess and in the beginning of book 6 will be blaming himself and 
himself only for Sirius' death.

 
Kneasy earlier:

> > > Mind you, Snape doesn't give a toss anyway.
> > He is sublimly indifferent to the opinions of others.
>

Darrin:

 
> Puh-LEAZE! 
> 
> "You will respect me!"
> 
> "You should be thanking me on bended knee!"
> 
> "You didn't listen to my opinion, Headmaster!"
>


Alla:

LOL, Kneasy! Do you seriously believe that Snape is indifferent to 
the opinions of others? I believe that he craves respect of others, 
especially Dumbledore. I also believe that he secretly craves Harry's 
respect.

I want to add couple more quotes to that Darrin gave.

'Detention, Weasley," Snape said silkily, his face very close  to 
Ron's. "And if I ever hear you criticise the way I teach a class 
again, you will be very sorry indeed" PoA, p.129, UK edition.


"I told you," said Snape , rigid in his chair, his eyes slits, "to 
call me sir". OoP, p.533 .


He wants respect, all right. :o)



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Darrin:

> Is it his "right" to behave like an arrogant berk? Sure.
> 
> Just so long as he doesn't go whining about being thanked on bended 
> knee any longer.
> 
 Alla: 

LOLOL!