What's wrong with being bad ?

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 102017

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "arrowsmithbt" 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
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Darrin earlier: 
> > Ah, the advocate for the bully downplays the effects of the 
bullying 
> > on the victim.
> >
>  
> Kneasy:
> What effects? You haven't shown that there are any of any 
significance.
> And please don't  drag in cod psychology; it doesn't apply. 
The 'abuse
> excuse' is only worth flourishing in retrospect - if eventually 
Harry can
> be shown to be emotionly screwed. Even then, more weight would be
> given to the trauma of his parent's deaths and the fact that 
someone out 
> there is trying to *kill* him than to a few snide comments from a 
teacher 
> he hates but does not seem to fear.



Alla:


"Right Neville," said Professor Lupin. "First things first: what 
would you say s the thing that firhgtens you most in the world?"
Neville's lips moved, but no noise came out.
"Didn't catch that,Neville,sorry," said Professor Lupin cheerfully.
Neville looked around rather wildly, as though begging someone to 
help him, then said, in barely more than a wisper,
"Professor Snape" - PoA, p.102, UK edition.


Now, let's see. The boy, whose parents were tortured to insanity by 
the Death Eaters, is not afraid of Voldemort or his servants.

He is terrified most in the world of his Professor. If those are nott 
he effects of the abuse, I truly don't know what is.  Thanks G-D for 
Lupin's psychotherapy, or poor boy would never be able to let his 
fears out in the open. :o)



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> 
Darrin previously:
> > No, sometimes bad is bad all the time. Some actions or behavior's 
can 
> > be bad one day, acceptable the next. What Snape does in his 
> > classrooms is not acceptable most of the time.
> > 
> 
> Kneasy:
> And sometimes it isn't. 
> But it must be acceptable at Hogwarts - it happens almost every day.
> They do things differently there; within living memory (Filch) 
students
> were hung up, screaming, in the dungeons, Arthur received an 
unspecified
> but severe  physical punishment for being out after hours with 
Molly.


Alla:


Eh? It does not happen in Hogwarts every day or at least we don't 
witness it. Filtch talking about physical punishments? Maybe he just 
wishes that they existed.


Do we hear any other teacher ever mentioning them? Could you give me 
a cite, where Artur received physical punishment, please.


We are not talking about Umbridge, of course.


I am afraid that Dear severus is in his own league with his attitudes.


Kneasy:

> Comparisons with  RL detract from appreciation of HP  as a coherent
> whole. Wishing that a fantasy complied with the Real World seems 
bizarre
> IMO. Isn't it the whole point of Fantasy that it *isn't* real?


Alla:


I already addressed this issue in a different post. I most certainly 
don't want phantasy to be real, but many things in it still has to 
ring at least emotional truth to me.


Kneasy:> 
> > > Mind you, Snape doesn't give a toss anyway.
> > > He is sublimly indifferent to the opinions of others.
>
Darrin:
 
> > Puh-LEAZE! 
> > 
> > "You will respect me!"
> > 
> > "You should be thanking me on bended knee!"
> > 
> > "You didn't listen to my opinion, Headmaster!"
> > 
> 
> Kneasy:
> Demanding respect for an appointed position has nothing to do with
> opinions, as many have pointed out. It is to do with recognition of
> authority and relative status.
> 
> Recognition of gratitude due is good manners, again separate from 
> opinions about the person involved.
> 
> Opinion here refers to advice, not personal assessment. As a senior
> master it is his duty to offer such and to ask why it is not being 
given
> due consideration.
>   
>


Alla: Kneasy, how could you divide one from another? Students do not 
know Snape as  aperson. They only know him as a teacher. That's the 
only way he can demand respect from them - as a teacher.



> Kneasy:
> Suppose by some miracle your witch-hunt (wizard-hunt?) of Snape
> succeeded beyond your wildest dreams and everybody on the site no
> longer posted contrary views. What would that mean? That you had 
> imposed your own interpretations onto everyone else. The exact 
opposite
> of what this site is about.
>


Alla: ?????????




Alla