What's wrong with being bad ?

[darrin_burnett]

No: HPFGUIDX 102030

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "arrowsmithbt" 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "darrin_burnett" 
<bard7696 at a...> wrote:
> > 
> > So... any fallout from any abuse, be it Harry's, Neville's or 
> > Snape's, is ultimately the fault of THAT person, rather than the 
> > subterranean layers of hate built up through abuse.
> >


> Kneasy:
> It's not absolutely clear who is the *THAT person* is in
> your comment. Please clarify.

Snape! If Snape is doing something, under the rules you set forward, 
then Snape is the one responsible.

Not his daddy. Not Sirius and James. Not all the girls who turned him 
down. Not V-Mort. Not D-Dore. Not the icky students.

Snape.

> 
> > darrin: 
> > Ah, the advocate for the bully downplays the effects of the 
bullying 
> > on the victim.
> >
>  
>   
> > darrin: 
> > Actually, Harry HAD shown flashes, glimpses of promise, and Snape 
did  > not exploit them. Never once do we see TEACHING from Snape. We 
> > see "close your mind," "master your emotions," "defend yourself" 
or  > essentially, "How come you're not getting it?"
> > 
> > And again, in the debriefing in D-Dore's office, he does not 
bring up  > Harry's part in the mess, which I grant is there, but 
blames himself> > for thinking Snape, who is responsible for his own 
actions and must  > accept the consequences, could grow up enough to 
deal with it. > 
> > Snape choe to give up. Whether he believed he was justified or 
not > > is irrelevant. He made that choice and for his role, must 
accept the 
> > consequences.
> 

 
 
> > 
> > And this is admirable, how?
> > 
> 
> Kneasy:
> Admirable? It's wonderful! It's true to his character. It's what he 
is. And nothing any of us  can do or  say will change him. Accept it.

What he is is a loathsome berk. I accept that. I've accepted for a 
long time. Where I disagree with the Snape lovers is that I think 
that's a lousy, unsympathetic character.

> 
> Suppose by some miracle your witch-hunt (wizard-hunt?) of Snape
> succeeded beyond your wildest dreams and everybody on the site no
> longer posted contrary views. What would that mean? That you had 
> imposed your own interpretations onto everyone else. The exact 
opposite of what this site is about.
> 

Let's see. You tell me to "accept it" because nothing can change, but 
then you castigate me for trying to impose my views on other people.

So accept your view. Squelch mine own. Because that's what the site 
is about.

Not the site I signed up for.

Tell you what. You put forward you view. I'll put forward mine. 
Neither one has to accept the other. How's that?


> > darrin:
> > I think you might be overestimating the tone of the Snape 
> > bashers. "Agitated."
> > 
> > I get agitated when my cat is limping, or when I don't get phone 
> > calls returned at work. This is recreation.
> > 
> > Consider me ironically amused at the Snape defending.
> > 
> >
> Kneasy:
> That's not the way it reads. It reads close to obsession. Try 
checking> some of your past posts.

So far, I've been told to accept it, but then I'm not expressing the 
mood of the list, and then I'm called obsessed.

Whatever. I'm sure if I responded with the tone your latest post 
demanded, I'd be called on the carpet by the moderators. So, think 
what you will, consider me obsessed because I dare to disagree with 
the Gospel of Snape Being All Good and Pure and Misunderstood and 
let's call it a day.

Darrin