How could Harry believe in the Dream ?

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 102225

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "delwynmarch" <delwynmarch at y...>
wrote:
>  
> Asian_lovr2 (formerly bboy_mn):
> > I think Harry has plenty of reasons, accumulated over years, to
> > believe that he has unique dreams that reflect real events, and 
> > most of them are 'realtime' events; they occur as he dreams them.
> 

> Del replies :
> But Harry has been dreaming of that corridor for a whole year now !
> Do you truly think that each time Harry dreams of it, LV actually 
> goes in the MoM, down in the DoM, through the doors, down the alley 
> in the Prophecy Room, each time a bit further but never to the end? 
> I don't think so. ... those dreams are NOT about *realtime* events.
> 
> Asian_lovr2 (formerly bboy_mn):


Asian_Lovr2:

They are 'realtime' in the sense that the coincide with the real times
when Voldemort is obsessively thinking about the Dept of Mysteries and
mentally planning his attack on that Department. So the realtime event
isn't Voldemort being in the D.O.M. but Voldemort very deep in thought
/about/ being in the D.O.M.


> > Asian_lovr2 (precious statement):
> > Given that much direct and indirect evidence, I'm not surprise the 
> > he believed the Sirius/DoM dream; everything in it was real with 
> > the exception of one little detail.

> 
> Del replies :
> In fact, everything in it was FAKE, but it was all happening in a
> place that truly exists. Remember, LV *never* went in the DoM. It's
> just like a movie shot in a real location : the place is real, but 
> the whole story is fake.
> 
> Del

Asian_Lovr2 now replies:
First note in my original statement that I said MOST of Harry's
special dreams are of realtime events, but not all of them.

Next in Harry's dreams about the Dept of Mysteries, nothing ever
happens. That is, there is place and presences but not event; he's
just there. In his final dream in which Sirius and Voldemort appear,
that is the first time Harry has ever reached his objective, and it is
the first time there is an /Event/ of any significants tied to the dream.

Note that, his dream about Arthur's attack wasn't much different from
the standard dream except he felt different, he felt like a snake.
But, until the EVENT of Mr. Weasley's attack, it was, as I said
before, just a dream about a place and his (Harry's) presents there.
When Mr. Weasley was attack, the dream was vitally and significantly
changed; it became an event. A real and realtime event.

That event, Mr Weasley's attack, was the authorial prelude to Sirius's
apparent attack. That event set Harry up to believe the second attack
on Sirius was just as real.

I still say that Harry's previous experience with his dream massively
overwhelmed the logic and common sense that Herione tried to inject.
Hermione's doubt, in a sense, is JKR confirming our, the readers,
doubt. She, the author, through Hermione, is confirming that Harry's
belief is illogical, but Harry's own previous experience, as I said,
overwhelms that common sense. 

I'm not denying you your opinion, I'm just saying that while I see
Harry actions as wrong and illogical, at the same time, perfectly
understandable given his experience. Even if Harry had his own element
of doubt, could he take a chance, could he dare ignore what he saw,
could he live with himself if he did nothing and Sirius was killed? I
don't think so.

Steve