Blame, blame, blame....

[koinonia02]

No: HPFGUIDX 102291

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Silverthorne" 
<silverthorne.dragon at v...> wrote:

>Tell me then, where the blame stops, and the hate begins....? 


"K":
I'm sure not trying to get anything started again but I haven't been 
able to reply until now. I have read very few of the posts since all 
the blame game started. But again I do that so I can continue to 
love most all the characters and enjoy the books. I don't like to 
argue just for the sake of it. I don't find that fun at all. If 
others do that's fine. As I mentioned before, I'm more interested in 
clues and theories. 


I don't understand most of the hate. I can't understand why one 
character is loved regardless of when their actions are not 
acceptable and yet another character is never, ever allowed to have 
one flaw. I believe when that happens it clouds the ability to look 
at the story in an objective way. Of course I never have that 
problem ^-~

silverthorne:
>Do you honestly know what's going on with these characters, and 
>*WHY they do certian things? 

"K":
That's right. There's really so little information we have on most 
of the characters.


Annemehr:
>I'm not for excusing Harry for the times he has no excuse, either, 
>but I do think a lot of people blame Harry too much for how the 
>Occlumency lessons went (and didn't go). 

"K"
I honestly don't want to discuss the Occlumency blame game again 
because none of us are going to change. :-) Yet I think the 
Occlumency parts are very interesting and there are loads of little 
hints in those exhanges between Snape and Harry but we can't seem to 
get to them. For instance, what about the part where Snape asks 
Harry about the dog? Seems like a strange thing to ask about and 
Snape doesn't ask many questions. So why is he so interested in the 
owner of the dog? Well, many people believe this is nothing more 
than Snape taking an opportunity to have a laugh at the expense of 
Harry. One can't have a theory discussion about the dog and owner 
because even that turns into Snape hating. 

But the problem isn't just with Harry and Occlumency. It's with 
Harry and whatever else he does that might be wrong. Some folks are 
blinded by Harry Love and make excuses for the boy. If anyone dares 
to challenge Harry's actions then one is labeled a Harry Hater which 
just isn't always the case. Surely I have the right to say I don't 
like it when Harry tells a lie or once again does not listen to what 
he is told. That doesn't mean I hate the kid. Far from it. I feel 
for Harry a great deal and only want the best for him. He's a good 
but imperfect person. 


Annemehr:
>There's one more very important statement from Dumbledore in that
>chapter:

>Dumbledore: "I have already said that it was a mistake for me not to
>teach you myself, though I was sure, at the time, that nothing could
>have been more dangerous than to **open your mind even further to
>Voldemort** while in my presence --" [emphasis mine]

"K"
Dear Dumbledore. He also makes mistakes. 

I left out some other good points you made only because I think it 
will take us back to the blame game again. 

Annemehr:
>As for a connection between Harry and Snape, my mind is open, but so
>far I don't think so, if you mean something akin to the scar
>connection between Harry and LV. If you mean that their relationship
>will be important, then I agree. There's also the fact that Harry
>knows Snape knows Occlumency and Legilimency, which may be put to
>better use someday.

>And yes, I agree Harry may have learned more Occlumency than anyone
>realises.

"K":
I honestly don't know what the connection could be but I just think 
there's more to it than what we see on the surface. That's what I'm 
interested in.

I must also say that I don't believe for one moment that Snape 
couldn't put aside his feelings and that he would put the Order or 
Harry's life in jeopardy. That is not what we have seen from Snape. 
Snape appears to be a man on a mission and he's not going to risk 
throwing it all away. I believe Snape ended those lessons because he 
was finished with what needed to be done. Harry just doesn't know 
yet all he can do.

 
Now a couple of other items. I don't believe I must like Harry the 
most since the story is about him. I can think of other stories 
where I've liked secondary characters better than the main. I don't 
see any problem with that.

If I say I would love to see a few good kids in Slytherin house, 
that doesn't mean I stand for evil. It's the hope that some kids 
will stand for what is right. It's the hope that there are other 
Slytherin adults that have taken the stand for goodness but we don't 
know who they are yet.

Maybe I'm different from most of the people here but I can still 
enjoy the great amount of humor in the books. I can just sit and 
read the books and not think of all our theories and all our blame, 
etc. I can just sit and enjoy a good read. I don't intend to lose 
that. 

"K"