Voldemort in the DoM, getting the prophecy (Re: How could Harry believe in the D

[annemehr]

No: HPFGUIDX 102449

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "marie" <vila784 at y...> wrote:
> All I'd like to say is that had Voldemort been in the DoM wouldn't he 
> have taken the prophecy? It says in canon that Voldemort couldn't go 
> in himself for risk of being revealed to the wider wizarding 
> community too soon. Therefore he sets up his plan for Harry. 
> Voldemort only shows up out of necessity, otherwise he'd have likely 
> preferred the ministry ignore his resurgance and continuing along 
> without their interference. It's very unlikely that Voldemort was 
> actually in the ministry until then. He must've gotten the image in a 
> way other than him actually having seen it himself.
> 
> 
> "Marie"

Annemehr:
I agree that Voldemort himself has never actually been in the DoM,
technically. On the night of Mr. Weasley's attack, he was apparently
possessing Nagini and seeing through her eyes. I believe he would have
done the same thing (or even possessed some other animal -- a rat,
maybe?) if he explored the MoM the summer after his reembodiment, or
again after the attack. IMO, he never entered in his own body until
the night of the battle.

What I think this means is that Voldemort would not have been able to
touch the prophecy that way. Remember, Voldemort has his own body now,
which he would have to have left somewhere while possessing someone or
something else. The body he was possessing, IMO, would not be able to
touch the prophecy, so Voldemort would be able to do no more than to
locate it in order to send Harry there. Entering the MoM only through
possession does have the great advantage of keeping Voldemort's secret
safe -- if the animal had been discovered, he could just abandon it
and noone would ever know he was involved, not even if veritaserum was
handy.

You are quite right that Voldemort may have "seen" the inside of the
MoM and DoM some other way. From what we know of Legilimency and its
limitations, I'm not sure that would work. However, what if Voldemort
has his own pensieve? That's a distinct possibility. If Rookwood, the
ex-unspeakable, had ever been inside the prophecy room before Godric's
Hollow happened, it would be a simple matter for LV to view that
memory and find the prophecy that way. The same might hold if Malfoy
used Imperio to send a stooge in to look at, but not touch, the
prophecy; could he have had the victim remove the memory and place it
in the pensieve? A pensieve would be quite believable, although we do
have canon that Voldemort used the possession method to see inside the
MoM, so, who knows? All we really know is that LV would have to do
something to obtain an accurate mental image of the inside of the DoM
in order to send it to Harry.

This is interesting, though. What other real scenes might Voldemort be
able to send to Harry? He could send Wormtail almost anywhere as a rat
who could then turn human in order to put a memory into a pensieve. He
could stage conversations to send disinformation, spy on Harry's
friends and send highly edited, out of context images to destroy
Harry's trust in them, the possibilities are endless. Harry's
definitely going to have to get some control over that connection.

Annemehr