Imperio! - but who and when?

[Geoff Bannister]

No: HPFGUIDX 102693

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Phil Boswell" <phil_hp7 at y...> 
wrote:

> > Geoff:
> > This is certainly supported by canon.
> [quote snipped]
> > (GOF "Veritaserum" p.597 UK edition)
> > This, as Crouch's description shows later, was before Moody was 
> > overcome and Crouch Jr. started using the Polyjuice Potion. So
> > Crouch Snr. was under the Inmperius Curse well before the World 
Cup
> > and no one noticed any difference.

Phil: 
> Sorry, Geoff, but you've recalled wrongly.
> 
> This was *after* the QWC because Winky had already been dismissed 
and
> it was just the 2 Bartys in the house.

Geoff:
Actually, I haven't recalled wrongly because I was extrapolating from 
the canon text. What I have done is that I have interpreted wrongly. 
In a mental slip, I mixed up the World Cup with the Triwizard 
Tournament. What I /meant/ to say above was "So Crouch Snr. was under 
the Imperius Curse well before the /Triwizard Tournament/ and no one 
noticed any difference." Mea culpa.

A couple of bits of canon which show that, although he appeared to be 
showing some signs of strain, he was still very much himself....

'"Dumbledore, you know perfectly well you did not make a mistake!" 
said Professor McGonagall angrily. "Really, what nonsense! Harry 
could not have crossed the line himself and as Professor Dumbledore 
believes that he did not persuade an older student to do it for him, 
I'm sure that should be good enough for everybody else!"
She shot a very angry look at Professor Snape.
"Mr. Crouch.... Mr. Bagman," said Karkaroff, his voice unctuous once 
more, "you are our - er - objective judges. Surely you will agree hat 
this is most irregular?"
BAgman wiped his round, boyish face with his handkerchief and looked 
at Mr.Crouch who was standing outside the circle of the firelight, 
his face half-hidden in shadow. He looked slightly eerie, the half 
darkness makibg him look much older, giving him an almost skull-like 
appearance. When he spoke, however, it was in his usual curt 
voice. "We must follow the rules and the rules state clearly that 
those people whose names come out of the Goblet of Fire are bound to 
compete in the Tournament."'

(OOTP "The Four Champions" p.243 UK edition)

'!Well, shall we crack on, then?" he (Bagman) said, rubbing his hands 
together and smiling around the room. "Got to give our champions 
their instructions, haven't we? Barty, want to do the honours?"
Mr.Crouch seemed to come out of a deep reverie.
"Yes," he said, "instructions. Yes.... the first task...."
He moved forwards into the firelight. Close to, Harry thought he 
looked ill. There were dark shadows beneath his eyes and a thin, 
papery look about his wrinkled skin that had not been there at the 
Quidditch World Cup.
"The first task is designed to test your daring," he told Harry, 
Cedric, Fleur and Krum, "so we are not going to be telling you what 
it is. Courage in the face of the unknown is an important quality in 
a wizard...very important..."'

(Same chapter p.246)

'You'll come and have a drink before you go, at least?" said 
Dumbledore.
"Come on Barty, I'm staying!" said Bagman brightly. "It's all 
happening at Hogwarts now, you know, much more excitigng here than at 
the office!"
"I think not, Ludo," said Crouch, with a touch of hie old impatience.

(Same chapter p.247)

So he seems to possess the ability to present the data about the 
Tournament and is as acerbic as usual although both Harry and 
Dumbledore seem to notice that he is looking ill. I think my basic 
hypothesis that people behave normally undeer the Imperius Curse 
seems to be valid.