Lupin was the spy

[huntergreen_3]

No: HPFGUIDX 102798

snow15145 wrote:
>>Was Pettigrew really the Potter's secret keeper? 
[snip] 
when Sirius accuses Peter specifically of being secret keeper, Peter 
was muttering distractedly, far-fetched and lunacy. I don't think 
Peter even knew of the plan to make him secret keeper until the 
shrieking shack accusations.<<

HunterGreen (who just had *another* messege eaten by her computer):
Very interesting theory. I think its quite possible--skimming through 
that chapter, I don't see anything that *proves* Peter was the secret-
keeper. Actually, its all an assumption on Sirius' part. The fact 
that he mutters as an answer to the secret-keeper thing is curious, 
because for most of the other questions he comes up with some sort of 
answer (even if its lying and sniveling).


>> The secret keeper switch had been discussed between James, Lily 
and Sirius but I don't think it went as far as Pettigrew. 
[snip]
It is quite possible that Sirius assumed that James switched to Peter
as secret keeper but that Lily may have questioned Sirius' loyalty,
to herself and James, because of this last minute request. Lily
feeling suspicious of Sirius' behavior could have suggested to James
that they should rethink their position and entrust Lupin instead so
that Sirius wouldn't know whom the secret keeper actually was in case
Lily's suspicions were correct <<
I know I'm not the only one who thought it was a bit off that they'd 
switch the secret-keeper duties to *Peter* of all people, who would 
certainly fold if Voldemort came after him. In fact, if Sirius *had* 
been the spy, this would have been a pretty good plan from his view. 
He convinces them to switch to Peter, tells Voldemort this, Voldemort 
breaks Peter, then if someone presses Sirius about this later, he can 
*truthfully* say he wasn't the secret-keeper. AND if Lily or James 
happened to survive, they'd back him up. (of course, this is all 
conjecture, since Sirius *wasn't* the spy). James and Lily may have 
thought his idea over, decided that *basically* it was a good idea, 
but that Lupin was a far better choice than Peter (perhaps they were 
less suspicious of him that Sirius was--which begs the question, why 
was Sirius more suspicious of Lupin than he was of Peter?). 

>>Peter was afraid of Sirius all right when he met him in the street
that day but Peter was also in need of hiding from the DE's that were
blaming him for the downfall of their master because of information
that he had told Voldemort. Peter knowing of the incident at Godric's
Hollow, after the fact, wouldn't necessarily mean that he knew of the
fidelius charm. Peter could have thought that Sirius was coming after
him for being a spy for Voldemort<<
Which is perfectly reasonable. Since Lily and James just died, and 
Voldemort was destroyed there's pleny of reasons for him to be a 
little nervous.


>> There are so many things that Lupin has said and done that make me 
question his loyalties
 From the "you heard James" statement as if 
Lupin was afraid of what Harry might have heard and abruptly ends the 
session, to the scene where Lupin enters the shrieking shack with 
forgiveness in his heart for Black with very little explanation.<<

It is a little off that he makes the jump from Peter being alive to 
Sirius being *completely* innocent, that never quite added up for me. 
This theory could go a long way to explain why he didn't tell 
Dumbledore about Sirius being an animagus and the secret passageways 
around the castle: he knew that Sirius wasn't a real threat. Perhaps 
part of him had a guilty conscience for Sirius going to Azkaban for 
something he did (ESE!Lupin doesn't have to mean he's evil to the 
core). Continuing with that, I'd imagine he'd be rather curious what 
Sirius was doing in the castle (perhaps hoping he'd come across him), 
and that could be why he was examining the map. The moment he saw 
that Peter was alive, it all clicked.
Speaking of the shrieking shack, just now when I skimmed through it 
with this theory in mind, I realized there are a few things that 
Lupin does which are a little odd. First is that he goes completely 
along with killing Peter. If Harry hadn't stopped them, Lupin and 
Sirius would have been guitly of murder. Now Sirius' motives are 
rather clear, but you'd think that Lupin would have been a little 
more level-headed at this point (a *thirteen-year-old* is the voice 
of reason in this situation). Then when he ties Peter up, he *gags* 
him. Now, why does he do that? Certainly there's nothing Peter could 
say to get anyone to change their mind (he already tried everyone 
when the plan was to KILL him and it made no difference), and if he 
called attention to himself once they were out of the willow, it 
would only make his situation worse, so what difference does gagging 
him make? Unless, that is, Lupin would rather him stay quiet (and 
Lupin would be the person dealing with him once they got to the 
castle, I assume if the plan hadn't been ruined--actually you could 
go so far as to say that Lupin hadn't forgotten it was a full moon, 
and he intended to let Peter escape the whole time, he just needed 
him to stay quiet until then).


-Rebecca (who's wondering, with all this talk of ESE!Lupin, where 
Pippin has been this week)