Neville and the Prophecy (was The Longbottoms-a theory)

[Stephanie]

No: HPFGUIDX 103092

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "vmonte" <vmonte at y...> wrote:
> Kneasy wrote:
> 
> My other theory is that it refers to past events, specifically 
> Godric's Hollow, and that the "neither" that can live is James and 
> Lily and "while the other survives" refers to Harry. That way the 
> Prophecy highlights Harry's protection and the fact that his 
parents 
> had to die for it to take effect.
> I posted that last year too, mostly to the roar of thunderous 
> indifference. Ah, well. 'Twas ever thus. Too clever for my own 
good, 
> sometimes.
> 
> vmonte responds:
> 
> I think that you are right about what the prophecy is saying, 
Kneasy.
> I don't think that DD is reading the prophecy correctly.  The 
> prophecy seems to be the only thing that has stumped DD.  With 
almost 
> everything else that goes on at Hogwarts and anything to do with 
> Harry he always knows too much information, way more than he 
should 
> know.  He knows what Ron and Harry saw in the mirror of erised.  
He 
> knows that Ron and Harry were under the cloak in Hagrid's hut. He 
> knows, before term starts in OOTP, that Voldemort was going to 
have 
> access into Harry's mind, etc, etc. 
> 
> But with the prophecy he is completely clueless. Trelawny seems to 
be 
> something DD did not expect.  He tells Harry that he was surprised 
to 
> hear the prophecy because when he met Trelawny she appeared to be 
> talentless.  When he does hear her prophecy, he thinks it could be 
> about Neville or Harry. For someone who is supposed to know 
> everything, Trelawny seems to have thrown DD off his game.
> 
> So perhaps Trelawny wasn't meant to happen. Did something change 
to  
> allow her to enter the picture? Or did someone else enter her into 
> the picture?  Is she really a Seer, or a puppet? Is someone using 
her 
> as a conduit for their own evil plan?  
> 
> I would really like to know who was thrown out the night of 
> Trelawny's prophecy... 
> 
> vivian

Kneazy and Vivian; 
I am so happy you both are continuing this discussion!  I had read a 
few of these messages last night and I've been trying to word my 
thoughts ever since...
I 100% agree with the fact the Dumbledore is assuming the prophesy's 
meaning...but I'm very interested in the neither can live while the 
other survives...I had immediatly thought of Harry's eyes....making 
me feel like Lily is still "living" through Harry.  Something 
happened there...especially that we are constantly talking about how 
Voldemort told her to step aside...what dark lord does that?!
By Vodemort taking Harry's blood in book 4, he unintentionally made 
himself mortal.  (the gleam in Dumbledore's eye, perhaps)...and can 
now be killed with out turning into vapor and surviving yet again.  
Maybe Lily's soul can not rest while Voledmort lives and it will be 
her spirit as well as the spirit of "friendship (Neville) that will 
help take down the Dark Lord.
Once that's done, I believe Harry's eye color will change and his 
scar will disappear.
Stephanie