Neville and the Prophecy (was The Longbottoms-a theory)

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No: HPFGUIDX 103188


> Kneasy wrote:
> My other theory is that it refers to past events,
> specifically Godric's Hollow, and that the "neither" 
> that can live is James and Lily and "while the other
> survives" refers to Harry. That way the Prophecy 
> highlights Harry's protection and the fact that his 
> parents had to die for it to take effect.

Vivian <vmonte at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think that you are right about what the prophecy
> is saying, Kneasy. I don't think that DD is reading 
> the prophecy correctly.  The prophecy seems to be 
> the only thing that has stumped DD.  With almost 
> everything else that goes on at Hogwarts and
> anything to do with Harry he always knows too much 
> information, way more than he should know.  <snip>
> 
> But with the prophecy he is completely clueless.
> Trelawney seems to be something DD did not expect.  
> He tells Harry that he was surprised to hear the 
> prophecy because when he met Trelawney she appeared 
> to be talentless.  When he does hear her prophecy, 
> he thinks it could be about Neville or Harry. For 
> someone who is supposed to know everything, Trelawney 
> seems to have thrown DD off his game. <snip>
 

Amber:
I'm new to this group so may I join in this
discussion?
What makes you think that DD isn't reading the
prophecy correctly and is clueless about it? Of course
it's easier to interpret a prophecy after the events
took place. 

"The one with power to vanquish the Dark Lord
approaches..
born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the
seventh month dies..."

To me this says that the one was not born yet. And
more importantly is doesn't say "the one to vanquish
the Dark Lord", but "the one with the power". That's
very telling, because it implies that "the one" might
fail, it's not set in stone that he will succeed.The
only two couples who matched the prophecy were the the
Longbottoms and the Potters at that time. If we could
ask DD which one Voldemort would go to first, I bet my
money on it that he would have said Neville at that
time.

The second part of the prophecy is the tricky part.
"and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he
will have power the Dark Lord knows not....and either
must die at the hand of the other for neither can live
while the other survives...."

We know it's a boy the prophecy is referring to.
We know Voldemort doesn't know about this part so it
becomes unpredictable to which one the boys he will go
to first. To DD's surprise he goes to Harry first and
the impossible happens. The curse backfired and turned
him into Vapomort(I love this name)and Harry survived
with (some) of Voldemort's power in him. Why Voldemort
chose Harry? Only Voldemort can answer that question.
Why the the curse backfired? I hope JKR will put us
out of our misery with that one at the end of the
series.

So now we have Harry marked as the Dark
Lord (Voldemort) his equal and has power he knows
nothing about. What is this power Harry posseses (love?)
and how can he use it to defeat Voldemort? To be
honest I don't know. Yes James and especially Lily
died saving their son, but I don't think it has
anything to do with the last part of the prophecy.
That both had to die so Harry could live. I'm sorry
Kneasy, but I can't buy this theory. IMHO the
"neither" refers to Harry and Voldemort, because
"either must die at the hand of the other". It's a
great theory though.

Vivian I agree with you that DD "seems" to know
everything, but the reality is he doesn't. In the WW
everyone knows he's a powerful and wise
wizard. Everybody looks up to him to have all the
answerers, but he doesn't as we find out. I'm not
trying to find excuses for him, because he did make
some (huge) mistakes. But remember he's got this huge
responsibility to keep Harry alive and has no one to
turn to. To talk about his doubts and fears, is he
making the right decisions and so on. McGonagall is
only one who comes close to some extend. He gained
more respect from me to admit that he did make
mistakes. It takes guts to do that. I agree with you
also that Trelawney seems to have thrown DD off his
game with what she told him that night. I think DD was
convinced that she was total fake. It was with that
purpose he went to Hog's Head to tell her she wasn't
suitable for the post to teach Divination. Is she a
true Seer? Not on a conscious level.

Just my two knuts
Thanks for letting me play

Amber whose first post went way too long ;)