Lily died before James? - No Room for Error.

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No: HPFGUIDX 103266

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <asian_lovr2 at y...> wrote:
> 
> As I said before, I felt the same way you feel; it had to be a
> mistake, but JKR couldn't have made it any plainer.
> 
> Yes, it suddenly makes the plot infinitely more complicated, and gives
> us one more mystery to resolve when there are already too many
> mysteries to resolve.
> 
> Yes, it's making my brain hurt.
> 
> Yes, it undoes conclusions, beliefs, and opinions that I've held for
> years. 
> 
> Yes, it does open up a whole long list of unanswerable questions,
> equal to your list plus many more.
> 
> But, it is none the less correct. As much as I want to believe she
> once again has made a mistake. She said the same thing in too many
> ways and with too many variation for there to be room for misinterpretion.
> 
> I see no recourse other than to accept this as a fact. 
> 
> Let me re-enforce the rumor that the scene where Harry's parents were
> being killed in the movie 'Sorcerer's Stone', JKR insisted that they
> NOT show James in that scene.
> 
> As much as my brain wants it to be 'something else', I have no choice
> but to accept 'James before Lily' as the order they came from the
> wand. James died last, so he came out first.
> 
> Don't know what else to say.

 
Oh! What fun!
Scope for lots and lots of speculation, theorising and re-assessment.
It's also a nice coincidence that there are some threads already running
that are discussing the Godric's Hollow incident and it's aftermath.

Is your statement about JKR insisting that James not appear in the
PS/SS movie a documented fact? Not that I'm doubting you, just the
opposite -  I *want* it to be true. Because you see I have a theory.
A very nasty theory. Vile, in fact. It may distress the more nervous
among the fans.

There's been much discussion going back to I don't know when over 
the order of the re-appearances from Voldy's wand. One frequently
asked question that has never been satisfactorily answered is:
"Where's the spell that destroyed Voldemort?"
Now it is confirmed that James was the last to be killed and there is
still no obvious answer to that question. Unless of course.....

Do you see where I'm going?

If James died last and that was also the spell that rebounded onto the
caster to form Vapour!Mort from a Voldy who strangely didn't seem to
leave a body behind (implied by Sirius) then Occams Razor leads one to
the conclusion that Voldy!James is a definite possibility. 
Possession, perhaps?

I've often idly wondered why Voldy's name doesn't crop up 
whenever Harry  has his moments of memory recall - it's "He's
coming!" Lupin seems surprised when Harry says he hears James's
voice calling out the warning. Well, he would, wouldn't he, if he
knows something different. 

Others may argue that the 'Third Party' used Voldy's wand to kill James,
but then there's still that missing spell, the one that formed Vapour!Mort.
Where is it? Something that traumatic should  be capable of recall.
Why would somebody else use Voldy's wand anyway? Don't they have
one of their own? I  can only recall one character that doesn't have a 
properly functional wand - surely not, no - Hagrid? No, no. 

I must brood on this some more; re-read the relevant canon, see if
more hints are to be found that have previously been disregarded.
But you must admit, if it did turn out this way it'd resolve some
irritating loose ends. 

Can anyone find canon that refutes this idea? (That's not a challenge,
it's a request for convincing canon-based counter-arguments so that
I don't have to scour 5 volumes un-necessarily.)

Seems to have all the elements of a classic Greek tragedy, this one.
Does JKR read much of that stuff?

Kneasy
chuckling evily as he thumbs through the canon