The Echo of Spells - (was Lily died before James? )

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 103684

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "delwynmarch" <delwynmarch at y...>
wrote:
> Jamie wrote:
> > .... the Curse That Failed, the cornerstone of the plot, would 
> > have shown up in between these two shadows at the end of GF-- 
> > except nothing did!  Interesting!

 
> Del replies :
> And *what* exactly would have shown up ??
> 
> We don't see the shadows of the *curses* themselves, but the shadow 
< of their *results*. We hear screams of pain when a Crucio is cast, 
> we see ghosts when people are killed. But we never see or hear the 
> Crucios or the AKs (themselves).
> 
> So what could we expect to see as the shadow of the result of the
> Curse That Failed ? ... Its only purpose is to kill, it didn't,
> hence it didn't bring any result. Hence no shadow.
> 
> Del

asian_lovr2:

I'm pretty much in agreement with you Del. This is a point I've tried
to makes several times.

Let's look at other spells and curses. What would we see as the result
of a Stunning Curse or a Jelly-Legs Curse? What would you see as the
'echo' of an Anti-Boggart Spell (Riddikulus); the person who was
afraid, the feared 'thing', the wispy smokey boggart, other? 

Would we see the shadow/echo of the cursed person? If we do see an
echo of the cursed person for nearly all curses, then how do you tell
a Stunning Curse from a Death Curse? 

It may not seem reasonable to others, but it seems very reasonable to
me that the 'echoes' of many spells are very subtle and difficult to
interpret, especially to someone like Harry. 

On the other hand, a mature, experienced, and specially trained wizard
like Amos Diggory or Kingsley Shacklebolt can probably interpert
subtle wisps of smoke, and small twinkles of light with great
precision. If either of them had been there they may have been able to
detect the subtle clues the indicated the prior casting of an Imperius
Curse, or the Failed AK curse.

It seems very reasonable that Big-V's blocked Imperius Curse and the
Failed AK curse would have vague marginally detectable forms. Even the
conjuring of the ropes/straps that bound Harry should have appear,
assume Wormtail was still using Voldemorts wand. I believe Wormtail
even used that wand to ignite the fire under the cauldron. We didn't
see those, but that doesn't mean they didn't come out; it only means
they didn't come out in any recognisable form.

Final comment; as I said in another post, since the Failed/Rebounded
AK had never before occurred in the history of wizard-kind, no wizard
would know what it should look like.

Just a thought.

Steve/asian_lovr2