Slytherins/DE and Girls

[meriaugust]

No: HPFGUIDX 91930

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "ghinghapuss" 
<rredordead at a...> wrote:
> > Meri 
> > >I see  Bellatrix Lestrange as more of an anomally than the 
norm. 
> I personally think that she has some relationship to LV that we 
> > don't know yet, and that there is some overriding factor that 
> convinces LV  of her loyalty, despite the fact that she is a 
woman. 
> <snip> who will be v. disappointed in JKR if LV and Bellatrix 
> > aren't caught somewhere snogging in DE HQ sometime in the next 
two 
> >  books, cause even a dark lord needs a little love)
> 
> > "artcase" wrote:
> > I was pondering just how someone who can cast a Crucio spell so 
> > easily defines "love". I believe her marriage to LeStrange was 
> > arranged OR due to a mutual interest in torture. S&M anyone? 
They 
> > probably get off on others' pain and the Longbottoms torture, 
> > well...
> 
> 
> Mandy here:
> Have to disagree with Artcase about the Lestrange's marrage. I 
think 
> it is too easy for us to believe that an evil person is incapable 
of 
> love, or at least, can not share our definition of love. I believe 
> that evil people not only love as much, and as deeply as we do, 
but 
> often love deeper than we do. 

snippig the majority of the post

> Love and hate are the same ends of an opposite spectrum.  Humans 
who 
> can feel deep hatred are also capable of deep love.  And visa versa
> 
> Mandy,

Wow, I wasn't expecting my little innuendo to spark a whole love-
hate discussion. I was really just making a little, kind of gross 
joke, about some sort of twisted DE version of Seven Minutes in 
Heaven. My original point was that as Bellatrix is the only female 
DE that we know of at the moment, there must be something about her 
(ie: a romantic, or more likely physical, relationship between her 
and LV) that confirms for him her loyalty to the cause and to him. 

Anyway, I think that Artcase is right about the LeStranges' 
marraige. Bellatrix's overriding concern at the end of the DoM 
battle was LV (which means that I also agree with Mandy about her 
loyalty to LV being all consuming). Her husband on the other hand, 
was not at all in her mind. There was no asking, "Where's Rodophus? 
Rodolphus?!" by her. Now, admittedly there was very little time to 
do so, but still, were I truly in love with a man I was marching 
into battle with I would have at least wondered where he was, and 
probably would not have let myself end up to far away from him 
during said battle if I could have helped it. This says to me 
arranged marraige, and from what we know of the pure blooded world, 
that doesn't seem too out of the question. (This brings up a whole 
new thing: who would Sirius Black's intended have been? As a member 
of a great pure-blood house he was probably set up at a young age to 
be married, but to whom? A LeStrange? A Malfoy? A Weasley? Ahh, too 
OT!!!!)

Moving on to the whole love issue brought up, yes I think that 
people who feel hate are capable of feeling great love. IMHO, it was 
partly Tom Riddle's devotion and love for his long lost mother (a 
shunned member of the magical world just like him) that drove him to 
avenge himself on his father (in addition to the fact that dear old 
Riddle senior abandoned baby Tom to life in an orphanage). Tom 
probably felt some solidarity with his mum that stemmed from them 
both having been abandoned by the one man who was supposed to love 
them. Also Tom probably didn't ever feel loved as a child, much like 
Harry. But while Harry ended up with friends and allies at school, 
Tom ended up with followers. Tom never seemingly developed the 
capacity to have a normal loving relationship with another person, 
unlike Harry, who, it can be argued, loves his friends Ron and 
Hermione, his godfather, and the Weasly family very deeply. 
Somewhere along the line Harry learned to love while all LV learned 
was to hate. Now, after OP, hopefully Harry will not turn to hate 
for solace after the loss of Sirius. 
Meri (who apologizes for her ramblings and will no longer make 
sexual innuendo jokes as part of her closing line)