Ron=DD?

gsanderson at cfl.rr.com gsanderson at cfl.rr.com
Tue Mar 30 00:36:24 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 94449

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "vmonte" <vmonte at y...> wrote:
> vmonte responds:
> I'm making up this whole scenario to illustrate my point (I know 
that 
> I may be completely wrong about how time travel works but why time 
> travel in the first place if you don't want to change events?)
> 
> Lets say that Ron=DD.  Something in the future is going to happen 
to 
> Ron to blast him into the past.  Ron then assumes a new identity: 
> Dumbledore. Because DD is really Ron he knows that in the future 
his 
> friend Harry will be born and Voldemort will try to kill him and 
his 
> family.  DD tries to make sure this doesn't happen again, so in 
this 
> timeline he assigns Sirius as their keeper (the first time around 
the 
> Potters may not have had any keeper/protector). But for whatever 
> reason, Sirius decides to change the keeper to Peter. (DD has no 
idea 
> about what Sirius has done.) Peter is bad, and the Potters are 
killed 
> again. 
> 
> DD also knows (because he was once Ron) that Harry will be very 
upset 
> when Sirius gets killed.  So DD saves Sirius's life by having 
> Hermione and Harry time travel to save him (and Buckbeak). 
> DD is happy -- he has saved Sirius (the first time around Sirius 
> died).  But Sirius is Sirius and he is not a careful person. He 
> starts putting himself in danger. DD starts to worry again. So when 
> he has the chance he forces Sirius stay at Order headquarters.  But 
> Sirius is Sirius and he doesn't like being trapped, and he also 
feels 
> badly that he isn't helping the Order (Snape even pushes Sirius 
more 
> by basically calling him a coward--and people don't think that 
Snape 
> manipulates people?!). 
> So, Sirius leaves Headquarters -- and is killed again!!!
> 
> DD is learning that he cannot always change fate.  Sirius was going 
> to die no matter what -- because Sirius was Sirius.
> 
> vmonte

DD on time travel:
"Hasn't your experience with the Time-Turner taught you anything, 
Harry?  The consequences of our actions are always so complicated, so 
diverse, that predicting the future is a very difficult business 
indeed..."  PoA pg. 426 US

Sorry, but I agree with "Kia" in that this is not consistent with 
JKR's original approach to time travel - which appears to be a 
straight through one timeline only deal.  I admit that having DD 
really be someone from the story who went back would explain an 
aweful lot (DD's general air of enjoying himself, knowing everything 
before it happens, The Gleam), I don't think this does it.  It 
reminds me of that recent Ashton Kutcher movie (The Butterfly Affect, 
or somthing like that) where changing time had drastically bad 
effects - please tell me JKR will not emulate Ashton Kutcher!

That being said, DD already could not be the twins, Percy, Charlie, 
or Bill since they are still around after the age when they would 
have taken Newts with Prof Marchbanks.  The only possible Weasley 
candidate, age-wise, is Ron.  

How would a student go back so far in time and be able to get into 
Hogwarts without the green Quill to write his name down?

Kristen - who hopes that the series ends with Harry being the key, 
not DD







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