[HPforGrownups] Re: OWL EXAM CACULATIONS

Thu May 6 19:18:54 UTC 2004

No: HPFGUIDX 97802

My high school grading system for my honor classes
were like that an A was 94-100%, for the rest of my
classes and most of my college classes are 90-100% is
an A. And I am 25 right now,well almost 25, 4 more
months to go. 
And I just want to point out is that not enough people
are reading emails and are saying the same idea days
after someone else came up with an idea and not giving
anyone the proper credit for it. It's happen to me and
I'm sure it's happen to others. I understand that more
than one person can get the same idea. But it's nice
to say I agree with this idea and expand or say I
don't know if anyone has had this idea and has posted
it before. Ok I'm through.
Danielle
--- Steve <bboy_mn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat"
> <willsonkmom at m...>
> wrote:
> > Does anyone have a statistical view of how the OWL
> marks should fall? 
> > There are O, E, A for the passing grade, correct? 
> P and D would both 
> > be failures?  So how many students would
> reasonably be able to take 
> > Transfigurations or Potions?  How many would be
> expected to pass?  I 
> > know Snape said his  classes had a high pass rate.
> > 
> > ... I was wondering how large  the classes might
> be and who we might 
> > see placed together.  ... one class of all 4
> houses. Of course, a 
> > student could pass an OWL, but not need the NEWT
> level for 
> > their chosen career.
> > 
> > IIRC, JKR ...  Would she be familiar with the bell
> curve?  Or does 
> > that theory even hold water any more?
> > 
> > Potioncat 
> 
> 
> bboy_mn;
> 
> I discussed school grades briefly in -
> Date:  Thu Apr 29, 2004
> Subject:  Re: OWLS
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/97262
> 
> Although, it doesn't necessarily directly answer any
> of your questions.
> 
> First let's put the wizards grades into a format
> that most U.S.
> citizens are familiar with
> 
> A = O = Outstanding
> B = E = Exceeds Expectations
> C = A = Acceptable
> D = P = Poor
> F = T = Troll or Terrible
> 
> In my day (he said croakily) we didn't use a curve,
> grades were
> stickly by percentage and with little mercy. To the
> best of my
> recollection-
> 
> A = 100% to 94% (pass)
> B = 93% to 87% (pass)
> C = 86% to 80% (pass)
> D = 79% to 75% (just barely pass)
> F = below 75% (fail)
> 
> Very few kids today could wtihstand a grading system
> like that. 
> 
> In the wizard world, I suspect each teacher sets
> their own grading
> standard and assigns the wizard letter grades
> accordingly. 
> 
> Next, let's remember that there is a difference
> between passing an OWL
> and getting into NEWT classes. Snape demands
> Outstanding to get into
> NEWT Level; McGongall requires Exceeds Expectations.
> 
> So what happens if you get a passing 'Acceptable' in
> Tranfigurations? 
> 
> You passed the class but don't meet the
> qualifications for the NEWT
> class; then what? 
> 
> So, is there a standard grade form 6 & 7
> Transfiguration class as well
> as a NEWT Level Advanced Transfiguration class? 
> 
> The Standard as well as the Advanced option is
> possible but it doesn't
> seem very logical. I guess, on one hand, we could
> consider the
> Standard grade class like techincal school, and the
> Advance NEWT class
> more like Junior College. 
> 
> Personally, I consider the whole concept of NEWT
> classes like Junior
> College. To model it after the muggle world, when
> you get your high
> school diploma (OWLs), you either go off to join the
> working world, or
> you go to college/university. That's how I see the
> wizard world. Of
> course, that ignores the techincal/trade/vocational
> school aspect of
> the real world, but I suspect in the wizard world,
> the equivalent of
> techincal/trade schools are on-the-job
> apprenticeships. 
> 
> I don't think we really know enough to resolve this.
> All the senior
> classmates that Harry knows (that we also know
> about), essentially
> amounts to the Grif. Quidditch team and Lee Jordan,
> all fo which
> continue to study at Hogwarts after OWLs, but we see
> very very very
> few students above (or below) Harry's year, so we
> have no indication
> whether a significant number of students left after
> OWLs.
> 
> I lean in that direction. I want to see, and
> reasonably expect, the
> class sizes to be small and perhaps even structured
> differently.
> Because of that, I could very easily see all the
> houses together in
> one classroom; perhaps even, in some cases, merging
> 6th and 7th years
> into one class. 
> 
> That certainly opens the door to more interaction
> between Harry, and
> Slytherin and Rawenclaw houses, and even opens the
> door to Harry
> getting to know some Slytherins who are outside
> Draco's influence.
> 
> Draco is the classic 'popular' or 'cool' kid and
> leader of the
> 'popular' crowd. He is rich, has nice clothes, an
> obvious leader,
> confident, outgoing, teacher's pet, and an athlete;
> that spells
> popular kid in nearly every school in the world.
> However, we all know
> from our own experience that while the popular kids
> are admired by
> many (usually including the staff), they are deeply
> despised by
> others. Look at Giffindor's reaction to popular,
> cool, handsome,
> athletic Hufflepuff Cedric.
> 
> I suspect that there are a few Slytherins who deeply
> loath Draco, and
> would like nothing better that to see him take a
> serious fall.
> However, as again we all know from our own school
> days, you will
> always have a difficult time challenging a popular
> kid. Mainly because
> the school including the staff will usually take the
> side of that
> popular kids. 
> 
> Even more so, it is my opinion that some Slytherin,
> while they do
> support the concept of wizard aristocracy, they
> think having a total
> mental case like Voldemort in charge will be the
> literal, and
> certainly the financial, ruin of the wizard world.
> From these ranks of
> proud, noble but more stable and cash conscious
> Slytherin will come
> the ranks of the 'Good Slytherins'. They will fight
> against Voldemort
> mostly because it is the most economically
> advantages option. 
> 
> I guess you could say it is one thing to be driven
> by power, but
> something else altogether, to be blinded by power.
> 
> Just passing it along.
> 
> bboy_mn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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