[HPforGrownups] Re: A thought about the prophecy - the Other's not alive yet

[Angel Lima]

No: HPFGUIDX 98051


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: delwynmarch 
  To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 12:41 AM
  Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: A thought about the prophecy - the Other's not alive yet



  "...and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can 
  live while the other survives...".

  vmonte wrote :
  > The neither can live part may mean: neither will have peace until 
  > Voldemort dies.

  Del replies :
  That can be said about MANY people. Pretty much everyone in fact.

  vmonte wrote :
  > Harry or Dumbledore must die at the hand of Voldemort for neither 
  > can live while Voldemort survives...
  > 
  > Dumbledore will sacrifice himself for the cause.

  Del replies :
  Or Lupin. Or Snape. Or any of the Weasleys. Or Neville. Or...

  Del


  Aarrgghh have written many replies to the various posts of the past weekend without any success!  Hope this gets through.  It's interesting the more I come across the prophecy the more poignant some points become.  If I'm way off base - sowee, have only read the books once, with not much interest to aggravate the injury of Sirius' death, sniff!

  I think it would be detracting from the story line to refer to the "other" as any one person apart from Harry and/or Voldemort.  Unless the other is the magical world, evil, etc.  - I've rephrased the last part to throw more light on what it could mean 'for not one of them can live while one of them survives' it could simply mean they can both live and both survive.  Voldemort before GoF can hardly be called alive - without body only in essence defying death by the dark magic he'd used on himself beforehand.  Harry on the other hand oppressed by the Dursleys could hardly be called living the high life also.  He got by with magic, and lived for the thrill of Hogwarts away from Privet Drive.   As Voldemort was gaining strength Harry too was gaining more and more freedom from the Dursleys ignorance.  He has use of his trunk and its occupants in his room and with the threat from the Order the Dursleys in book 6 surely would be more lenient with him.

  "either must die at the hand of the other"
  The prophecy is very specific in mentioning "hand"  it didn't simply say - either must die by the other or so.
  We know Harry thwarted Voldemort in Philospher's Stone because of touch, a lingering protection left by Lily that is quite tangible in the form of touch, via hands.  Harry's right hand is constantly getting twitchy though.  His wand hand, the hands he touched Quirrell with, the one which the Basilisk sunk his fangs into, the hand Dobby's Bludger busted and Lockart emptied of bones and was thus regrown - the same hand from which his blood was drawn to return Voldy to his body.  When Harry recounted the occurrences at the graveyard in Dumbledore's office, DD rushed to see where Pettigrew had pierced and had a mingled look of triumph on his face when he'd seen.  Voldemort can now touch Harry but he's only done so once.

  Oh well just my thoughts and all ...



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