Mr. Cornelius Oswald Fudge - very long - (was: Over Kill with Dementors)

[jimlaming]

No: HPFGUIDX 98223

Kneasy Wrote:
The case for an ESE!Fudge is right there, its like its *too* obvious. 
(now I keep thinking about how odd it is that the dementers not only 
attacked Harry at the end ofPoA but tried to perform the "kiss" on 
him, even though Sirius was lying feet away).

Rob Now:
I have been preching this from the begining. The Dementors are still 
loyal to Voldemort and are working in his interest and I deduced that 
since this is the case, the person in control of them is also a 
follower of Voldemort.There is no evidence that he Fudge was not one 
of the original DE.Actually there is good evidence that he is a 
DE.Him and his buddy Umbridge do everything in their power to try and 
ruin Harry, even making attempts on his life. 

The evidence is out there and all you have to do is look through 
Fudges actions. (Actions will show the true motives of a character).

If you think that I may be off the wall, just think about the 
Dementors giving a kiss to Crouch Jr. shortly after he was 
discovered.Before DD got to ask him any questions, the Dementors 
swooped in and Killed/ Kissed him.Why, because they are working  for 
Voldemort and they needed to silence a witness.If this is not enough 
for you also think about how it is possible that the only other three 
that escaped Azcaban where notorious DE.Interesting. The only other 
to escape was Serius, because everyone thought he was behind the 
deaths of the Potters and that he would want to kill Harry.


Jim adds his thoughts and questions:

I too am toying with the idea of ESE!Fudge.  So I shall do what I 
enjoy doing most
  Ask Questions.  

This ended up much longer than I meant it to when I started
sorry.

First of all, what is Fudge's real role in this story?  Is he an 
unwitting bumbler or a devious manipulator.  Why does Fudge want to 
discredited, harm or even eliminated Harry?  What does Fudge have to 
gain?  Is there anyone else within the MOM that wants to hurt Harry? 

Next, if Fudge has a reason to hurt Harry, then why hasn't he done so 
already?  (Opportunity, Dumbledoor's protections, witnesses, ???)  
What interactions has Fudge had with Harry?  Are there hints that 
Fudge wants to harm Harry?   What events could Fudge have had the 
power to influence and thus attempt to hurt or discredit Harry?  

Is Fudge really stupid enough to think that scaring Harry into 
silence will enhance his status?  
Is he capable of the deceit and evil needed to kill Harry?  

I am soliciting help from the collective brain.  I am working on this 
line of thought (so far):  

Fudge is, as DD says, in love with his office and is acting to 
maintain his own status.  He is exactly what he seems to be: a 
blustering, pompous politician, looking out for his own power and 
position.  Fudge's every action can be interpreted to be in his self-
interest.  

In COS, we are introduced to Fudge when he "arrests" Hagrid so that 
he can be seen as "doing something" during the crisis.  I think 
Malfoy comments, at one point, that Fudge must be keeping the attacks 
out of the Daily Prophet to prevent negative publicity.

In POA, Fudge orders the Dementors to Hogwarts, in the name of 
searching for Sirius, and to protect Harry.  He is seen to be 
protecting Harry when doing so looks good in the WW.  When Sirius is 
captured, he calls in the Dementors to administer the "Kiss" without 
the due process of law.  We again see his lack of regard for the law 
and the rights of the people. He is foiled in the attempt to silence 
Sirius and Sirius inexplicably escapes.  I feel like he is getting 
desperate to contain the PR damage.  I think he ordered the "Kiss" 
for the newly discovered Barty Jr. to put a damper on the publicity 
of Voldie being about and active.  

At the end GoF, when Harry reports the physical return of Voldie and 
the activation of the DE, he upsets the Status Quo, and Fudge uses 
whatever means he can suppress that information.  Fudge covers up 
(fails to investigate) Cedric's death, and lays down the battle lines 
to DD.  This didn't happen.  Voldie isn't back.  Harry is a just 
seeking attention.

In OOP, we see Fudge slandering DD and Harry in the puppet press, the 
Daily Prophet and subverting the Wizarding Judicial system to protect 
his position and discredit DD and Harry.  There is a co-conspirator 
introduced here, Delores Jane Umbridge or as I like to refer to her, 
Toad Face.  I think Toad Face is also acting out of love of power. 
(perhaps in addition to a love of Fudge?)  She believes her status 
depends on Fudge and the Status Quo, and she is acting as a direct 
extension of Fudge.  However, She does display evil intent and when 
she sent the Dementors to Magnolia Crescent, I think she intended to 
kill Harry.  Her hunger for power and her cruelty are clearly 
demonstrated throughout OOP.  Both Fudge and Unbridge manipulate the 
facts, provide disinformation and oppress basic freedoms.  When 
Umbridge attempts to arrest Hagrid, the unwarranted use of brutal 
force is unleashed on McGonagall.  It seems that each oppressive step 
they take, leads to further resistance and then further suppressive 
acts.

Fudge and Toad Face have traveled a very long way down the road of 
Dictatorship.   I am not sure but that Fudge must face a very drastic 
realignment such as Toad Face experienced with the Centaurs.  And I 
don't think that having Voldie show up in the lobby of the MOM is 
going to be enough of a shock to change his ways.  We shall see



Other related thoughts and questions:

Is Fudge working directly in Voldie's service.  Is he working to help 
Voldie's return and the eventual victory over the WW from within the 
MOM.  Is Fudge acting on his own or under the Imperious Curse?  Is 
there a way to detect the imperious curse?  Does it have to be 
reinforced from time to time?  

Who do we know, that is evil, who visits the MOM and has repeated 
access to Fudge? (Malfoy, Umbridge, ???) Umbridge seems to be the 
fanatical type.  I don't see her as the source of the dark magic, 
rather she acts as a misguided pawn that thinks the "cause" justifies 
the means.

In the early books Fudge "appears" to be protecting Harry.  When the 
Knight Bus drops Harry off at the Leaky Cauldron, could Fudge have 
been waiting there to do harm to Harry?  Because there are witnesses, 
he continues with the appearance of protection.

The Dementors seem to know where Harry is at times and focus on him 
(above others) when they encounter him.  

Under the Fudge Administration Aurors seem prohibited from arresting 
prominent members of wizard society no matter how dark their 
connections. Later they seem to be used to punish those who believed 
DD's warning of Voldie's return.

Voldie would benefit greatly from having a highly placed mole deep 
inside the MOM.

While scanning a number of articles about Fudge I came across this 
tidbit:  There was a pope named Saint Cornelius, whose reign was 
marked by the controversy over those who under persecution had 
renounced Christianity. Cornelius's leniency toward this group drew 
the support of the bishop of Carthage, St. Cyprian, but aroused the 
opposition of the Roman priest Novatian. Cornelius was exiled, then 
martyred in 253.  He was succeeded by a bishop named Lucius. (that's 
worth a shiver up your spine!)