Book 7 predictions
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Fri May 14 13:31:37 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 98308
Interrupting this fascinating exchange between Del & Annemehr to
insert my two knuts...and hoping they don't mind. :-)
Annemehr wrote :
> > Still, Harry never knew what his patronus would be until he saw
> > it. Could you believe that it was never any knowledge of Harry's,
> > but the mere *fact* that James was Harry's protector, that
> > magically formed the Patronus? Dumbledore said Harry found James
> > within him. Even though Harry didn't know James' animagus form,
> > that form was nonetheless the symbol of the man who gave Harry
> > many of his own traits and fathered him for 15 months.
Del replies :
> That's precisely what's bothering me. Is there a practical reason
> for Harry's Patronus to be James's Animagus form, or is it all just
> some kind of mystical mystery ? I guess we would need to know more
> about Patroni and Animagi to answer that question, though.
> And I'd like to point out that Harry himself didn't know how
> peculiar his Patronus was, until DD told him about James's Animagus
> form. He could have lived all his life without knowing the
> relationship between his Patronus and his father.
Siriusly Snapey Susan:
I vote for "mystical mystery," Del. Yes, indeed. I think it's one
of those magical links between parent & child...maybe kind of like
twins separated at birth who end up with the same bizarre, esoteric
hobby or something. We can't explain why...but it's cool!
Annemehr answered :
> > There is something to say for him in how *unhesitatingly* he runs
> > off to "save people." In the day-to-day little things, you don't
> > see anything special from him, but when he knows someone, or
> > everyone, is in great danger, he wants to help with very little
> > thought for his own safety.
Del replies :
> I agree. But I don't think that's just compassion. It's bravery,
> courage, self-assurance, recklessness, whatever you want, and
> usually based on compassionate feelings, but it's not exceptional
> compassion. <snip> So yes Harry is exceptional in the way he just
> goes and does what needs to be done, no matter how dangerous. But
> he doesn't do so because he's any more compassionate or loving that
> most of us. That's strictly IMO, of course.
<snip> Again, nothing exceptional there either. Most kids are
> naturally self-centered and learn to open up to others and increase
> their compassion for others through experience and maturing. But
> IMO Harry is not exceptionally compassionate for a 15-year-old boy.
Siriusly Snapey Susan:
I agree that Harry's compassion isn't exceptional for a 15-year-old.
But see the following....
Annemehr :
> > For the purpose of the story, though, he doesn't actually need to
> > be the most loving person in the world to defeat Voldemort,
> > because there are other things unrelated to his own virtue that
> > single him out and make him special.
Del replies :
> I think the problem is that DD talked about the power that is
> studied in the DoM, that Harry has so much of, and that LV doesn't
> have at all. The most obvious answer is Love, of course. So it
> would seem that DD is saying that Harry has an exceptional amount
> of love. But I just don't see that.
Siriusly Snapey Susan:
Del, what if the power isn't "just" love but **sacrificial** love?
THAT I think Harry does have in exceptional amount. It's part of
what makes him willing to go off and do those brave, courageous
(reckless, poorly thought out) tasks & rescues that you mentioned
previously. I think his willingness to put himself Out There, to
face the danger, in order to help or save someone--or to stop someone
he thinks is evil--is what makes Harry different from many others his
age. Sacrificial Love. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Siriusly Snapey Susan
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