ESE!Snape (Was loads of other stuff)
justcarol67
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Mon May 17 05:45:54 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 98569
Okay, if Snape's not ESE, then why did he stop teaching Harry
> > Occlumancy? Considering all the posts regarding respect and the
> > military, he disobeyed a direct order from DD. Furthermore,
> > regardless of whether Snape knew LV's plans regarding Harry and
> > merging his thoughts with Harry's, one of the people Snape hates
> > the most conveniently gets killed because Harry didn't block out
> > LV. If Snape had continued to teach Harry, then Sirius wouldn't
> > have gotten killed because the DA wouldn't have known to go to the
> > DoM. <snip>
> > Susan (who apologizes sincerely to all you out there who love
> > Snape ;-)
>
>
> Another Susan (Siriusly Snapey) replies:
> Well, I don't love Snape, and I don't always "apologize" for him,
> but I do find him fascinating, intriguing, mysterious--the most
> enjoyable adult character to read about.
>
> I also don't believe he's ESE.
>
> Then why did he stop teaching Harry Occlumency? I can think of a
> number of reasons. First, Snape, like many of us, is a flawed
> human. He possesses skill and talent and a great snarky wit. But
> he is nowhere near perfect. [I've argued ad nauseum, for instance,
> that *good* teachers who are concerned about particular pupils
> learning, assess their effectiveness, and Snape doesn't.] But I
> believe Snape stopped teaching Harry Occlumency because he was
> LIVID, because he felt Harry was not trying and therefore not
> learning, and perhaps because it was painful to have to go through
> the process with Harry Potter.
>
> Could he have successfully taught Draco Malfoy? Probably. But
> Draco would have been willing, Draco wouldn't have been filled with
> rage just looking at his teacher, Snape wouldn't have been filled
> with loathing just in looking at his pupil. There was too much
> ANGST in the setting, and I think Snape knew that it wasn't working
> **and** couldn't get over how p*ssed he was that Harry looked into
> the penseive.
>
> I disagree, btw, that continuing to teach Harry would have prevented
> Sirius' death. Given that DD wasn't around to supervise and step in,
> I think the lack of progress would have continued. No, I actually
> fault Snape more for not providing more *explanation* at the
> beginning and for riling Harry up instead of helping him calm down
> in those first couple of lessons than I do for his quitting when he
> did.
>
> He disobeyed a direct order from Dumbledore, yes. THAT part
> surprises me. But I think flawed Snape just couldn't take it any
> more. I would love to have heard DD's conversation w/ Snape about
> that insubordination, but alas, JKR didn't make us privy to it.
>
> Siriusly Snapey Susan
Just to add two more points to what SSS said: Snape told Dumbledore
what had happened, explaining exactly why he had stopped the
occlumency lessons, as we know from Dumbledore's long conversation
with Harry at the end of OoP. If Dumbledore had given him a direct
order at that point--you *will* resume occlumency lessons--Snape would
have done so. But Dumbledore evidently agreed with Snape that the
lessons weren't working and were perhaps doing more harm than good.
Also, Snape not only informed the Order what was happening with Harry,
he tried to prevent Sirius Black from going to the MoM. It was
Sirius's own decision, and no fault of Snape's, that he went there,
and it was his own taunt of Bellatrix that (apparently) caused her to
cast the spell that threw him through the veil. His death is in no way
Snape's fault--or Dumbledore's.
Carol, who thinks that perhaps animosity against Snape and affection
for Sirius are getting in the way of Susan's (not SSS's) reading of
the events at the end of OoP
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