Dumbledore's role in Sirius' death was Re: ESE!Snape (Was loads of other stuff)

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No: HPFGUIDX 98619

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
wrote:
> Jen earlier:
> > And re: Dumbledore and his role in Sirius' death, DD believes 
> he  played a role in it and I think he's right. Dumbledore 
> overstates his guilt--after all he can't force Sirius to stay if he 
> chooses  otherwise--but DD *continually* underestimates the 
> emotional factors  involved in human decision-making. This is a 
> mistake Dumbledore  makes over and over with all the people 
> under his leadership. For that reason, he did play a role in 
Sirius' 
> death, even though the burden of responsibity lies with Sirius. 
> > 
> Pippin earlier:

> I don't quite understand this. Dumbledore takes responsibility for 
> Sirius's death because if Dumbledore had told Harry everything, 
> then Harry would have known that Voldemort was trying to trick 
> him into getting the prophecy, and he would never have gone to 
> the Ministry, or he would have gone more warily.
> 
> It was because of concern for Harry's emotional welfare that 
> Dumbledore kept this information back. He did not want to 
> burden him with the knowledge that only he, Harry, could defeat 
> the Dark Lord. That's quite a lot to lay on someone who's not 
> quite sixteen, isn't it?
> 
> I don't think Dumbledore underestimated the toll being cooped 
> up at the Dursleys, or in Grimmauld Place, would take on his 
> charges. He knew it. The twinkle in his eyes goes right out as he 
> leaves Harry at Privet Drive in Book One. From what he says 
> about Sirius, he knew perfectly well that Sirius was suffering 
> emotionally at Grimmauld Place. But the purpose of the Order is 
> not to keep Harry, Sirius, Snape or anybody else from emotional 
> pain, if that is the price of thwarting evil.  There are some 
things 
> worth suffering for.
> 
> The purpose of the order is to  defeat Voldemort. That means 
> that Harry has to be kept alive, and the people Harry loves  have 
> to be protected from being taken hostage. If there was a safer 
> place than Privet Drive, or Grimmauld Place, don't you think 
> Dumbledore would have used it?
> 
> Pippin


Well, the only thing I can say that even if emotional wellfare of the 
Order members is not their commander first priority, it should be 
somewhere on his list of priorities.


Sorry, I don't buy that Dumbledore could not find ANYTHING useful for 
Sirius to do.

He thought it was perfectly fine for Sirius to go notify Old Crowd 
after GoF, now suddenly in OoP it is not safe for him to go out as a 
Padfoot?

And sorry for being repetitive but such things as invisibility cloaks 
do exist for a reason. :o)


And, sorry for being repetitive again, but no, I am not completely 
sure whether Privet Drive is the safest place for Harry all along.

Alla