ESE!Snape (Was loads of other stuff)
justcarol67
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Wed May 19 08:09:34 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 98817
Carol wrote:
> > Just to add two more points to what SSS said: Snape told
Dumbledore what had happened, explaining exactly why he had stopped
the occlumency lessons, as we know from Dumbledore's long conversation
with Harry at the end of OoP. If Dumbledore had given him a direct
order at that point--you *will* resume occlumency lessons--Snape
would have done so. But Dumbledore evidently agreed with Snape that
the lessons weren't working and were perhaps doing more harm than good.
>
>
> Carol, are you basing these conclusionhs on one sentence from
> Dumbledore: "I am aware of it"?
>
> If not, could you provide more canon for :
>
> a. When Dumbledore learned of the end of Occlumency lessons?
> I argued before that he could have learned about it after MoM battle.
>
> b. That if Dumbledore told Snape, he would have continued the lessons?
>
Carol:
There's more to it than "I'm aware of it." DD goes on to explain that
he forgot about how deep some wounds can be--how Snape never got over
the humiliation he suffered at James's hands, etc., so we know that
Snape told him the story in detail. You're right that I'm assuming
that Snape told him about it right away, but the assumption is based
on what we know of Snape and his past behavior. It appears from the
Pensieve scene where Snape talks about his scar that he reports
regularly to Dumbledore. It seems likely that he reported to
Dumbledore after every lesson, while the events were fresh in his
mind. We know, for example, that he told DD that Harry was dreaming
about the corridor.
Also, we have never seen Sanpe refuse to obey an order from
Dumbledore, even when he resents it. He is Dumbledore's righthand man;
Dumbledore trusts him, and he wants to maintain that trust. It would
be to his great disadvantage if he stopped the occlumency lessons
without telling Dumbledore and Dumbledore found out about it. And if
Dumbledore had ordered him to resume the lessons, he would have done
so--because that's how Snape acts. It's what Snape does. He didn't
choose to give Harry occlumency lessons; he didn't even want to do it,
as he made clear to Harry when he told him about it at Grimmauld
Place. But he did it because Dumbledore told him to do it. He has to
keep his job and he wants to keep his place in the Order. He has no
choice in the matter. And besides, his loyalty, as far as we can tell,
is to Dumbledore.
Fortunately for Snape, Dumbledore did not judge him harshly for
dropping the occlumency lessons. He understood his fury at the
violation of his most private and painful memory, which Snape had
specifically removed from his head so that Harry wouldn't see it. But
it's also possible, and in my view logical, that Snape, who told
Dumbledore that Harry was dreaming about the corridor, would have
expressed the view that the lessons were doing more harm than good. He
would certainly have stated that Harry wasn't cooperating and wasn't
practicing.
Based on all of that--canon and speculation together--I think it's a
reasonable assumption that Snape told Dumbledore immediately and that
it was a joint decision not to resume the lessons.
Carol
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