[HPforGrownups] Re: Clues for SHIPS and for the plot

[Erika L.]

No: HPFGUIDX 98876

Del wrote:
>So let's see : GoF, hardback British >edition, page 439 :
>"Look after Gabrielle," she told her, >and then she turned to Harry.
>"You saved 'er," she said breathlessly. >"Even though she was not your
>'ostage."
>"Yeah," said Harry, who was now >heartily wishing he'd left all three
>girls tied to the statue.
>Fleur bent down, kissed Harry twice on >each cheek (he felt his face
>burn and wouldn't have been surprised >if steam was coming out of his
>ears again), then said to Ron, "And >you, too, - you 'elped-"
>"Yeah," said Ron, looking extremely >hopeful, "yeah, a bit-"
>Fleur swooped down on him, too, and >kissed him. Hermuione looked
>simply furious, but just then etc...

>Huh, well, I'm not sure we can use that >scene as evidence for either
>SHIP. I would agree with those who say >that Hermione is simply jealous
>of *Fleur*, not because of either boys. >And by the way, I'd like to
>add that I'm surprised that Hermione >wouldn't have learned during her
>holidays in France that kissing on the >cheeks doesn't mean much for
>French people.

Hermione may have known that, but the thing is, Fleur's kisses, however innocent in intention, do have an effect on the boys. Harry blushes furiously and Ron is hankering to get the same treatment ("Ron, looking extremely hopeful"). So she could be jealous about either one, but more likely she's just annoyed with them for acting-- well for acting like most fourteen year old boys, and probably also with Fleur for her ability to manipulate them so easily. So basically I'm agreeing that this isn't a very shippy moment.

in another message (# 98861) Del wrote:
>GoF, hardback British edition, pg 628 :
>"'Arry!"
>He looked around. Fleur Delacour was hurrying up the stone steps into
>the castle.
>(snip unrelated stuff)
>"We will see each uzzer again, I 'ope", said Fleur, as she reached
>him, holding out her hand. "I am 'oping to get a job 'ere, to improve
>my Eenglish."
>"It's very good already," said Ron, in a strangled sort of voice.
>Fleur smiled at him; Hermione scowled.
>"Goodbye, 'Arry," said Fleur, turning to go. "It 'az been a pleasure
>meeting you !"

>I'm afraid Hermione scowled only after Ron displayed emotion towards
>Fleur and got a smile from her in return. She didn't react in any way
>when Fleur was interacting with Harry.

Actually, I think we see the same dynamic in this scene as in the scene by the lake. Here Fleur addressed Harry specifically rather than Ron, so it isn't impossible that Hermione was annoyed with her for that. However, despite being an H/Hr even I think that's a bit of a stretch, mainly due to the semicolon separating the statement that Fleur smiled and Hermione scowled. A semicolon is meant to link separate clauses, implying that there is a connection between them.

It _could_ have shippy implications; I'm not denying that it's possible. However, I really think it's a continuation of Hermione's annoyance with Fleur in general. Fleur is able to elicit a reaction from boys in general with ease, while Hermione, in contrast, has had the unflattering experience on Ron's amazed announcement that she's a girl. Can you blame her for being annoyed with Fleur? After all, as I pointed out earlier on the thread, we see Hermione become annoyed with Fleur _before_ Ron meets her, and we see her become annoyed with _both_ Harry and Ron for their ogling of girls. Ron's "strangled sort of voice" is a continuation of that behaviour and thus Hermione's annoyance does not require that she have any romantic interest in Ron.

I don't think Hermione's dislike of Fleur is as clear cut as Ron's reaction towards Krum, which is almost certainly due to jealously of Krum for his involvement with Hermione. With Hermione I just don't think there's anything shippy about it.

Best,
Erika (Wolfraven)

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