Dumbledore's role in Sirius' death was Re: ESE!Snape (Was loads of other stuff)

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--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at m...> wrote:
> 
> One of your examples was the confrontation with Snape....I cannot 
> understand why Sirius would undermine DD's order!  It certainly 
> didn't make Harry's situation any better. Or course, he wasn't very 
> good at following orders at all, was he?
> 
> Except that I cannot get all the pieces together, I'd suggest 
> ESE/Sirius, because I also agree  his escape from Azkaban looks very 
> fishy!
> 
> Potioncat, who will keep Snape as her "flawed" hero.


It's eminently possible to interpret almost all of Sirius' actions as those
of a Voldy agent and very difficult to justify those same actions as
reasonable behaviour by a committed member of the Order who accepts
DD as unquestioned leader. For good or ill there is no incontrovertible
evidence of ESE!Sirius, just varying levels of suspicion. Of course, the 
many apologists for Sirius seem to consider that because he said
(or pretended) that he loved Harry, everything else could be forgiven,
dismissed or ignored. After all, anyone who loves Harry must be good,
right? No, not necessarily.

Those that argue that the Harry/Sirius axis is a heart-warming, sensitive,
let's-comfort-Harry aspect of the stories tend to look at this love-fest
in isolation - it's just Harry and Sirius. But it's not. It has much wider 
repercussions - on the Order and on Voldy's actions. It is part of an
intricate plot-line, everything else doesn't stop just because they are
into male bonding. What Harry may learn from this episode is that
emotional involvements are bad for you. They may be hazardous to
your health.

Harry is emotionally vulnerable. On the basis of a few fraught minutes
in the Shrieking Shack he believes that he has an emotional anchor, a
replacement for his lost family. How much time have Harry and Sirius
actually spent together? Not much - and almost zero time without
someone else being present. Does Harry  really know Sirius? No. He's
made a judgement based on his emotional needs. Dodgy, very dodgy.
Naturally, Harry won't hear a word against Sirius no matter what he
does or what others may say-  but Harry cannot be objective; he has 
a vested interest in Sirius being what he wants him to be. But just 
because Harry wants something to be so doesn't automatically mean
that it is so, and mostly, except for the occasional glimpse (such as in
Snape's Worst Memory) it is Harry's view that is presented to us.

The fact that Harry is inclined to give more weight to Sirius's views or
opinions that they actually warrant makes Sirius highly dangerous.
Whether the danger stems from Sirius's impetuosity and desire to
be the sole or major influence on Harry from now on, or from a more
malign motivation is arguable. The results would probably be
catastrophic in either case. So - Sirius has to go. He's a liability.

Now did he fall valiantly in battling the enemy or was he removed
by the 'good' side before he could do too much damage?

Kneasy