Dumbledore's role in Sirius' death was Re: ESE!Snape (Was loads of other stuff)

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Pippin:
Dumbledore says, flat out, that the power behind the locked
door took Harry to save Sirius, because of the bond that had
grown between them. 


Neri:
Sorry to nitpick, but I think you are connecting several different 
pieces of canon in a way that might be misleading. DD says basically 
three separate things: 

1. "the fact that you [Harry] were coming to regard Sirius as a 
mixture of father and brother" (I assume this is what you mean 
by "bond"? I didn't find this word in DD's words).

2. "Kreacher's information made him [Voldemort] realise that the one 
person for whom you would go to any lengths to rescue was Sirius 
Black" (the sentence I analyzed in my previous post)

3. (much later) "That power took you to save Sirius tonight"

What I'm saying is, suppose that Voldy would have concluded from 
Kreacher information that it is Lupin, not Sirius, that Harry would 
go to any length to rescue. So in his false vision to Harry he shows 
Lupin as a hostage in the DoM. Harry rushes to the DoM to rescue 
Lupin, the Order appears at the last moment to save the day but Lupin 
get killed. So DD would have said to Harry "the power that took you 
to save REMUS tonight". This alternative scenario would not have as 
much impact as the Sirius scenario, of course (because JKR 
intentionally built GoF and OotP with Sirius as Harry's "mixture of 
father and brother") but it would still be, IMO, quite plausible. 
Harry WOULD have rushed to the DoM to save Lupin. So in this chain of 
cause and effect it was Voldy who decided whom would it be that Harry 
would go to save. I hope I made myself clearer.

     
Pippin:
Was he wrong? Possibly. But can you offer
another reason why Dumbledore felt he had to protect Sirius
specifically, when he let Arthur and Lupin face danger? Was it
because Sirius was too rash to be trusted? That is what Molly
thinks. But she conveniently forgot that Lupin and Arthur have
been known to act rashly too.


Neri:
The official reason is the one that Sirius gives Harry at his first 
day in 12GP: My cover as Padfoot is blown. From Sirius' bitterness 
("There's not much I can do for the Order of the Phoenix . . . or so 
Dumbledore feels") and from DD's words in the end ("I was trying to 
keep him safe") it seems that it was DD's order. It is possible that 
DD ordered it because he believed from the beginning that Sirius was 
the ultimate anti-Harry weapon. It is even possible that he explained 
this to Sirius and Sirius decided to stay in 12GP, but this is not 
how I read it. I think DD simply erred in estimating Sirius' specific 
capabilities and limitations. After all, he made similar errors 
regarding Harry and Snape.  

<snip> 

Pippin:
No child should have to
make such a decision. Dumbledore knew that, so he decided,
unwisely, to keep Harry in the dark.

Neri:
Yes, this is a point I've been trying to make for several months now. 
It was unwise of DD to keep Harry in the dark, and it was wise of 
Sirius to want to enlighten Harry. But the myths of wise!DD and 
irresponsible!Sirius seem to be more powerful than mere canon.  

Pippin:
I can only speak for myself, but I was merely applauding Kneasy
for his determination. <g> Did you think I was trying to prove that
Dumbledore was evil? 

Neri:
Not at all. When you wrote that Kneasy got the wrong man, I was 
assuming you meant the right man is ESE!Lupin. Did I understand you 
correctly? BTW I was just starting to work on my ESE!Harry theory as 
a pure exercise, but as the clues fall into place it seems more and 
more logical...

Neri