The Picture (dramatic sound) - longish.

[hickengruendler]

No: HPFGUIDX 99093

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "tub_of_earwax" 
<tub_of_earwax at y...> wrote:

I snipped your statements-
 
> 
> Thoughts:
> 
> 1) When was the picture taken? 

Your guess is as good as mine. If it's true, that Lily and James were 
pretty young when they had Harry, then it must have been after 1978, 
because otherwise they still would have been at school and therefore 
wouldn't be allowed to join the Order. But because I think that James 
and Lily are in fact a bit older, and that JKR meant that Snape was 
35 during PS and not during GF, it is also possible that it was a few 
years earlier.

 
> 
> 4)	Sturgis Podmore is said to look young in the picture. Lilly, 
> James, Sirius, Peter and Remus were all young, about 23 if my 
memory 
> serves me right at the time the picture was taken. Now, if Sturgis 
> looks younger than they do, and you have to be of age etc to be in 
> the order that means that Sturgis would have been at Hogwarts at 
> about the same time as MWPP, Snape and Lilly, maybe even in their 
> year. May he'll be a future window of information for Harry?
> Maybe 
> even regarding Sirius? What is his place in the story anyway? He 
has 
> to have some part, especially if Moody comments on how young he 
> looked. Someone so young and willing to be in a fight against 
> Voldemort must be cool and interesting (like Tonks). What does it 
> mean that he is in Azkaban/ that he's been Imperio'd? Of
> course, 
> this all could be a coincidence
.as JKR has many unimportant 
> coincidences. I don't see where the Lexicon gets the at school
> with 
> Lucius information. It could be that he was with Lucius, and just 
> looks younger than the Potters for example, even though he isn't. 
> Still, interesting nonetheless. 

I don't know where it was in the book, but I am sure that Sturgis' 
age was given. I haven't got the book to look right now, sadly. But 
it might have been during the article where it was stated that he was 
arrested. But I know that I read his age somehwere in the books.
> 
> 5)	Caradoc Dearborn vanished and they never found his body. 
> This can serve two purposes: one can be that it nicely shows what 
> war is, and how ruthless Voldemort is, or, as I speculate, it is a 
> seemingly unsuspicious comment for the reason given above, but is 
> actually someone who made himself conveniently vanish and then 
> joined the dark side. One problem with my theory is that he would 
> have had to hide out for about 12-15 years when Voldemort was Vapor!
> mort and in hiding. He could not have joined him, for then he would 
> have helped him, as Peter did. He could not have shown up after 
> Voldemort became Vapormort, as Moody would have mentioned it. He 
> could however easily hide in the WW in another country, or in 
> Britain in a muggle neighborhood, or with an aging potion he could 
> slightly alter his appearance etc etc etc. Another possibility is 
> that he turned spy, but that Dumbledore never told anyone about it. 
> But, what did he do all the time that Voldemort was Vapormort? Did 
> he maybe keep his new identity? Either way, except for the first 
> possibility, an interesting figure/name to watch.

I thought about this, too. Maybe we will hear from him again. The 
same is possible for Benji Fenwyck. Yes, they found bits of him, but 
they found also bits of Peter Pettigrew (okay, one bit). 


About your questions why certain characters weren't in the Order the 
first time. The simple answer could be, that they were in the Order, 
but just not there when the picture was taken. After all, there was 
no moment, when every Order member was at Grimmauld Place, so why 
should there have been a moment when every Order member was at 
headquarters during the first war. Besides, we know that Arabella 
Figg and Mundungus Fletcher were part of the old crowd. The old crowd 
has to be the Order, meaning Arabella and Mundungus were Order 
members in the first war. They just weren't on the photo.

Hickengruendler