Assyria and Wizardly Geography
Liz Muir
rowen_lm at yahoo.com
Sat May 22 23:24:42 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 99124
Hello everyone. Long time lurker delurk-ing for a moment.
<<Insert generalized apology if bringing up previously discussed
topics et al>>
Alright, in recently rereading OotP and again pondering the
significance of Mimbulus mimbletonia, I came across this quote by
Neville: " ... My great-uncle Algie got it for me in Assyria." (OotP,
US Hardback, Ch. 10, pg. 186)
As far as I can tell, most people discussing this quote have focused
on the fact that the plant is from Neville's Uncle Algie. However,
this time it struck me that the plant was from Assyria. Being a
person severely lacking in what I assumed was Middle East geography,
I pulled out several atlases (atli?) to look the country up.
To my astonishment, I discovered the country doesn't exist anymore,
but is a country from Biblical times controlled by Babylonia. (I
found the most definitive and unbiased information at <a
href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyria>Wikipedia</a>.) To me, the
current non-existance of Assyria poses a large problem with many
implications, including but not limited to "How did Uncle Algie
manage to bring a plant back from a country that doesn't exist?"
<<Again, insert general apology if I am stating the obvious.>>
Some possibilities present themselves:
a) Algie possesses a time turner or other means of time travel.
Therefore, he traveled either backwards to ancient Assyria or forward
to the future Assyria, which according to the Bible (or particular
interpretations) will be established prior to the Second Coming.
However, Neville's matter-of-fact way of talking about his uncle's
trip makes this rather hard to believe. IIRC, time travel is very
limited in the WW. In order to take such a large trip, Algie would
need to either have a very important mission (probably for the
Department of Mysteries or other MoM business) or be doing it
illegally. In either case, he is not likely to mention it to
Neville, or if he did, Neville would not be dropping information
about it so easily.
b) Assyria was used just to refer to that region, which is in modern
day Iraq. This seems unlikely since using archaic names to refer to
a region would certainly cause a lot of confusion. In addition,
besides a possible mention in History of Magic class, I have little
reason to believe Neville would really know about Assyria and use it
in that context . . . .
c) JKR is geographically challenged and just pulled Assyria out of a
hat of place names she could use. Certainly possible, given I'm
pretty sure she doesn't check her geographical facts to well (eg.
mixing up King's Cross station with another station while writing).
But I am hoping this isn't true, so moving on to what I consider the
most mind-boggling, but likely, possibility . . . .
d) Wizardly geography and geopolitical boundaries are completely
separate from muggle boundaries.
This last option leads to many problems in the series and a lot to
work out with regards to the wizarding world. I'll need to look at
all instances of geography in the books. However, before I delve
into developing this theory, I'd like some feedback: Have I missed
an obvious explanation for the presence of Assyria? Is there already
a theory dealing with this, or one which is related to it? Any
potential supportive information I may have missed?
Replies are very much appreciated as is further development of this
pre-theory.
Rowen,
who considered titling this post "What is the Capital of Assyria: A
Foray into Wizardly Geography" in tribute to Monty Python, but
decided that was much too long and assuming, much like this signature
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