Lily. Was: Prank revisited.

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 99213

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Renee" <R.Vink2 at c...> wrote:
> Renee:
> 
> IMO, Lily certainly isn't lily-white here. Sure, she defended the 
> victim against his bullies, but if someone is treated unjustly and 
> you intervene, lack of gratitude and even racial slurs should *not* 
> cause you to turn your back to them.

Lack of gratitude should not cause you turn your back on the person, 
you are trying to save, I agree with you. 

I strongly disagree with you about racial slurs though. If I am 
helping someone, I don't expect their gratitude. But I don't think I 
deserve ANY negative reaction either. I happen to associate the 
word "mudblood" with one VERY degrating word for jews in the soviet 
union.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that if the person I was 
helping with anything would call me that word, that would be the end 
of my help. Period. Any sympathy I would feel for that person would 
dissappear in a  blink of an eye.

 


What Snape says, doesn't make 
> James's and Sirius's treatment of him any more justified than it 
> was. Of course, it would take a saint to ignore Snape's reaction 
> altogether; that Lily pays him back in kind shows she's no saint or 
> angel but a normal human being. It's what she does next that I find 
> so disappointing. 
> 
> In the first place, her words to James show that her desire to take 
> him down a notch plays a major role in her decision to intervene. 
> This makes her indignation look somewhat less righteous than 
before, 
> and it makes me suspect it wasn't difficult for her to do 
something. 
> Then she leaves, practically begging James to continue his torment 
> of Snape. After all, how else is he to remain cool in the eyes of 
> the general public? So he pretends to be unaffected and goes on as 
> if nothing has happened. (Maybe he actually took Snape's pants off -
 
> it seems unlikely that Lupin suddenly acquired a bit of spine and 
> took over Lily's part.) 
> 
> Would James have turned Snape upside down again if Lily had stayed, 
> without defending Snape verbally, yet showing she wasn't going to 
> abandon her responsibility as a prefect? I don't think so. But she 
> does leave Snape to his fate. To me, this almost brings Lily down 
to 
> the level of the other actors in this drama. Though I'm not sure if 
> this is what JKR intended. 
> 
> Renee


Did Lily have other reasons for interfering? As Marianne argued very 
well, she could have been. Especially due tot he fact that she ended 
up with James at the end. She must have kept really close eye on 
him. :o)

The question I want to ask - does it really matter? For whatever 
reasons she wanted to help. She interfered. Snape called her the most 
degrating word possible in the WW as a gratitude. I perfectly 
understand why she walked away.

She might have had "a saving people thing", but to me it is a  GOOD 
thing. I think if I am in trouble, I would  definitely prefer the 
person, who passes by to help me, instead of walking away. Even if 
the only reason the person would help is because he/she has a "hero 
complex"

That is why I could never understand why people argue that "saving 
people thing" is a bad quality of Harry's character.

Alla