Are there no depths to which Siriophiles wont sink?

[potioncat]

No: HPFGUIDX 99285

> > Potioncat, putting on her scuba gear
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> > 
> > To me, one difference between them, is that while neither let go 
> of 
> > the animosity, Snape at least contained his. 
> 
> Meri jumping in: Snape has contained his? With all those veiled 
> references to Sirius' supposed cowardice, his haughty allusions to 
> his risking his own life in service to the Order, and his 
treatment 
> of Harry at school before he had even met the boy and could judge 
> whether or not he was like his father? Snape tortured and 
humiliated 
> Harry because he was a Potter, not because this eleven year old 
boy 
> had ever done anything to him. 


Potioncat responding:
I was referring to the episode in Sirius' kitchen, not to any other 
episode.  Both of them come out acting like 15 year olds or maybe 5 
year olds.  Name calling and wand waving!  But in my opinion, it was 
still Sirius who started it off.  

Yes, at that point Snape says "Sit down, Potter." and Sirius goes 
off the deep end.  What was Snape supposed to say?  He was there for 
a meeting with Potter as directed by Dumbledore. A teacher using a 
surname to a student is considered appropriate, sit down is not 
rude.  "Sit!" might have been.  The book does not give any clue as 
to the tone of voice Snape used when telling Potter to have a seat.

>From that point on, it's just crazy!

I think some of the episodes between Snape and Harry have been 
explained in different posts and I would welcome any other Snape 
fans to don scuba gear as well if we want to get into that thread.



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snipping my first post(potioncat)
 
> Meri again: Yes, in Order we learned that James was a flawed 
human  
> being. And yes he was nasty. And yes he was arrogant. But as Lupin 
> (or Sirius, can't remember which) said, don't judge him by what 
you 
> see in one memory. 

Potioncat:
I brought up James only as a contrast, not to bad mouth James.  He 
started out as a show off but must have changed. Everyone seems to 
remember him with great fondness.
My point was that we started out thinking James was wonderful-boy 
and didn't learn until book 5 that he hadn't always been good.  We 
may get a surprise about Snape as well.

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Meri:
 Snape supposedly came to school knowing more jinxes and 
> hexes than most seventh years, so I would bet he used those 
whenever  he wanted. 

Potioncat:
Yes, and James enjoyed hexing people too.  See, what bothers me a 
lot is that Sirius describes Snape as knowing hexes and jinxes as a 
bad thing.  But thinks it's funny that James hexed people.  It seems 
to me that James and Severus may have been a lot alike.  And I also 
wonder if there isn't a foggy area of who was using dark arts and 
who wasn't?  But I'm getting off our thread here.

Meri:
As to DD trusting Snape more, in GoF he says he trusts 
> both Snape and Sirius, and I see no evidence that he trusts Sirius 
> any less than Snape.


Potioncat:
My opinion is that DD trusted both as loyal.  But he gave Snape a 
job and an active, dangerous role in the Order.  He told Black to 
sit still and stay put.  Now, I know some of that was to protect 
Black....but he didn't seem to think that Severus needed 
protection.  So perhaps I should say he felt Severus was the one he 
could depend on? The one he gave more responsibility to? 

 Meri:
However,  as a human being I find him lacking, as evidenced by his 
treatment of Harry and Neville in class, as evidenced by his actions 
in the  Shreiking Shack, and as evidenced by his comment to Hermione 
as she was hit by a stray curse in GoF that made her front teeth 
grow  abnormally large: "I see no difference." Cruel, petty and 
immature? 
> I think so. 
> 


Potioncat:
I agree, as a human being he could use some work.  I cannot excuse 
or forgive his treatment of Hermione, even though I have come up 
with a possible reason for it.

But what did he do in the Shrieking Shack that you found so bad?

Potioncat who hopes once again she hasn't rushed a response, but has 
a child to pick up from school.