What were the corridor dreams ?
cubfanbudwoman
susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net
Mon Nov 1 20:59:21 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 116961
Del:
> > 5. The dreams started long before LV even thought of using Harry
> > to pick the Prophecy up.
> >
> > 6. The dreams became longer and longer, and yet it took almost a
> > year for them to reach their end. Why ?
> >
> > So finally I reach my real question : what were those dreams ???
> >
> > Here are some ideas I've had.
> > 1. They were real dreams that LV was having every night.
> > 2. They were dreams LV was deliberately implanting in Harry's
> > mind.
> > 3. They were real explorations of the DoM by LV in his body.
> > 4. The only other possibility I can think of, is that those
> > visions are real explorations of the DoM by LV *out of his body*.
Kneasy:
> I agree that there's something very odd about the whole episode.
> Consider:
> Only Harry or Voldy could take the globe from the shelf. Even if
> Voldy didn't know this I bet DD and those in the Order who worked
> at the Ministry did.
> So why have a guard on the door?
> Any of Voldy's hench-wizards grabbing the globe immediately gets
> stricken with the multiple congropolis or the galloping pox or
> whatever it was - and if Voldy himself turned up one dozy wizard
> isn't going to stop him. He'd breeze through him as if he wasn't
> there.
>
> It makes me wonder if some of the other 'dreams', the ones
> after Arthur had been attacked, after Voldy realised that Harry was
> tuning in, were real either, 'cos he sees no guard from the Order
> there even though we know the Order has a rota. I think it
> highly likely that these dreams of dancing down Ministry corridors
> were not of the actuality, not after Arthur got bitten.
>
> Mind you, there's no guard the night that Harry finally drops in,
> something that has never been explained. It's another of those
> blank spots that leaves questions dangling. Was there no guard?
> If not why not? Had the DEs got rid of the guard - or had the
> guard let the DEs in? Co-operated, in fact.
SSSusan:
This won't answer all these questions, for sure, but I wonder about
this. Is it possible that the Order guard was there initially (that
is, through the summer/at the start of the school year) as an
information-gathering mechanism, rather than as a true *guard* trying
to stop Voldy or his buddies from getting in? I know the impression
we're given is that they were guarding the prophecy, but as you say,
Harry doesn't see them in his dreams after the Arthur attack. Maybe
once the Arthur attack happened, the Order knew all it needed to
know: 1) Voldy & the DEs were, indeed, after the prophecy; and 2)
Voldy was now aware of the mind-link.
As you ask, does this mean the Order was using the prophecy as a
decoy? And if so, for WHAT? (And it still doesn't answer why *not*
guard HARRY.)
Kneasy:
> One possible answer is that Voldy can see through Harry's eyes,
> he knows what Harry's doing. He can affect Harry's behaviour, we
> know that (the urge to attack DD). But once you're in somebody's
> mind, not only can you rummage through memories, influence
> actions, you must know what they're doing - you're viewing it in
> real-time. He saw Harry coming.
SSSusan:
Is it possible that this is one of the reasons DD had Snape do
Occlumency lessons? To see if they could find out about those dreams
Harry was having--how far they went; what he saw; what "position" he
was in during them; whether they were changing?
Siriusly Snapey Susan
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