When were the Longbottoms attacked? (was Re: Did the Potters know the prophecy?)

[quigonginger]

No: HPFGUIDX 117471


> Juli: Barty Jr was caught with DEs that managed to stay
> out of Azkaban, this doesn't mean he wasn't involved
> in the Longbottoms' torture. Bella & Co were torturing
> Frank and Alice in order to get some idea where LV
> was.

Ginger here:
I hadn't meant to imply that Barty hadn't participated in the 
Longbottom torture.  I just meant to say that he had been caught with 
them.  I certainly believe he's guilty as can be.


Ginger earlier: 
> > Sirius was in Azkaban within a couple days of LV's
> > demise.  Since Bella was his cousin, he'd have taken 
> > special notice of her arrival compared to the arrivals 
> > of strangers or near strangers.  I would think that 
> > talking one's way out of Azkaban would take a bit of 
> > time.  
> 
> Yes, but we don't know how long was it between LV
> going vapor and Bella going to Azkaban, it may have
> been months, since we know it happened long after LV
> was gone and everyone felt safe. 

Ginger now:
Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.  I was refuting Eustace 
Scrubb's theory that there was very little time between the two.  I 
think there was a bit more than he thinks, although the text is vague.


> Juli: During the entire VWI Crouch was favourite for
> new MoM, he was a declared enemy of the dark side, he
> fought fire with fire, but then after LV was gone and
> Crouch Jr was found hanging out with DE, then his
> popularity went down. He became a third or fourth for
> the MoM, we know DD was the first choice, Fudge was
> the second in line, DD didn't want the job so Fudge
> got it, and Crouch? Off he goes to the Department of
> Int'l Cooperation all because his son's a DE.

Ginger again:
Very good point!  I had completely forgotten that Dumbledore was the 
one everyone wanted.  So that helps with the problem that I had with 
the timeline as added to in OoP.  Thanks!

> Juli again: I don't think Barty Jr was with the
> Lestranges when he was caught, he could have been with
> any other DE but he was convicted with the Lestranges.

Ginger: I had assumed that he had been caught with the Lestranges.  
It read that way to me at the trial.  On page 603 (GoF, US paperback) 
Harry asks Dumbledore if Barty was involved, to which DD replies that 
he doesn't know.  Interestingly, Barty doesn't confess to it under 
Veritaserum.  But then, DD never asked.

In all, I think that there was more than just a little time between 
LV vapourizing and the Longbottoms' torture.  I also believe Barty 
was guilty based on what little evidence we have.

I hope all this came out clearly.  I tried to snip as much as I could 
and have it come out somewhat sensibly.

Ginger, headed to bed.