Inside Harry's mind

[annemehr]

No: HPFGUIDX 117636


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "nrenka" <nrenka at y...> wrote:
 
> Why a 'fragment' of Voldie, which assumes some sort of essential 
> transfer (and a division of 'what is voldie and what is harry'), and 
> not something like an impression left *by* Voldie on something that 
> is and was originally Harry?

Annemehr:
Along that line, Harry's scar is just that sort of thing: the
impression left by Voldything and his AK on Harry's face. It would be
easy enough to extrapolate to what you are saying.  I wonder just what
LV may have left his impression *on,* exactly -- Harry's mind only? 
His soul (however you define that)? His whatever-it-is-that-
makes-him-magic (which has made him a Parselmouth)? Or has he affected
Harry's whole being?

Back in CoS, DD explained that LV "transferred some of his own powers
to you the night he gave you that scar. Not something he intended to
do, I'm sure..."

To which Harry replied "Voldemort put a bit of himself in /me/?"  DD's
answer: "It certainly seems so."

That's all we have to go on.  Transferring powers seems like a limited
effect; nothing at all to worry about, more of an advantage, really. 
Harry's interpretation (always murky ground, eh?) is that some, what,
*essence* of Voldemort went into Harry. DD doesn't contradict him, but
that doesn't mean much to me, since we know he's skirting around
unspoken truths and may not even know much for sure.

If Nora's right, it could still give Harry some vulnerabilities to
Voldemort, like a "back door" left in the software.  It doesn't seem
quite as dangerous as an embedded bit of him would, though.

> boyd:
> 
> but if the Voldmeister could really control Harry *some*, why
> wouldn't Jo just have LV eventually gain control of Harry *entirely*
for a
> brief period of time--perhaps when he's already despairing over
something
> else. Fun! And, I say, bring on the deaths!

Annemehr:
Well, he did try that, in the MoM.  It seemed to be working perfectly
well, but then he got the boot.  If LV tried to get Harry to murder
someone, would Harry's emotions save the day again?  Harry might not
know what was going on, though -- when he was possessed, he was aware
of Voldemort and only Voldemort -- what he said through Harry's mouth.
 Harry was apparently completely unaware of falling and losing his
glasses, and of whatever Dumbeldore may have been doing at the time.

Back to Nora:

> I am in the camp that believes Harry had some sort of natural talents 
> from the get go,

Annemehr:
Oh, me too! Absolutely. :)

Nora:
 
> But the impression/influence argument, that the stuff of Harry was 
> somehow shaped/changed by the stuff of Voldie, without a piece of the 
> other stuff necessarily being left behind (as a separate entity)...I 
> think it's worth consideration.
> 
> This is getting into Rowling's metaphysics, which are exceedingly 
> obscure at present.

Annemehr:
Yes, as long as it's a strong enough influence. There's that
connection between them, after all, which allowed Harry to begin
seeing what LV was doing as soon as LV arrived in Britain (hey,
there's a bit of a need of proximity for you: surely LV had strong
emotions in Albania when Wormtail and Bertha arrived, and when he
first got the ugly-baby body. Yet, nothing does Harry see until
they're both on the same island).

You're darn right about "obscure."  There's no way that I can see to
choose between one model and the other at present.

Interesting, though.

Annemehr