[HPforGrownups] Re: Quirrell

[Vivamus]

No: HPFGUIDX 117658


> > khinterberg:
> > Why, when Death Eaters won't even say his name, can a young 
> professor with Vapormort on the back of his head say it without 
> any sign of fear whatsoever?  There is no "Dark Lord" business, 
> no trace of a cringe or sign on pain...what, frankly, is the deal?

> Pippin:
> It's a funny thing about secret names -- there's not much point 
> unless *somebody* is allowed to say or hear them. 
> 
> "It was a name I was already using at Hogwarts, to my most 
> intimate friends only, of course. [...] a name I knew wizards 
> everywhere would one day fear to speak." --CoS ch 17
> 
> We know, then, that Voldemort has always allowed his closest 
> supporters to hear his name. Might he not also allow them to 
> speak it?
> 
> 
> Fake!Moody uses the name. Lucius Malfoy does not flinch when 
> Dumbledore speaks it at the end of CoS. Several, but not *all* of 
> the Death Eaters in the MoM hiss when Harry speaks it.  Bella 
> says, "You dare speak his name with your unworthy lips, you 
> dare besmirch it with your half-blood's tongue, you dare--" (OOP 
> ch 35) which sounds to me as if certain worthy, pure-blooded 
> individuals are allowed to use it. She does not flinch when she 
> hears it from Harry's lips again in chapter 36.
> 
> As usual, it's possible to draw contradictory conclusions from all 
> this, in no particular order.
> 
> 1) It's a Flint. JKR is  sloppy and doesn't always show the Death 
> Eaters flinching from the name or fearing to use it.
> 
> 2) It's a Clue. Voldemort's most loyal followers are allowed to 
> use the name, as a mark of favor, or to mislead the enemy. In 
> that case, no one can be elimated from consideration as a 
> hidden Death Eater by their willingness to use the name.
> 
> Pippin


Vivamus:

I think it must be a Flint, although I don't think it's fair to accuse JKR
of sloppiness.  In SS/PS, it is quite clear when Quirrell is speaking, and
when LV is speaking, and it is Quirrell who uses the name.   I suspect that
must be because the whole sub-plot of who can and cannot speak the name just
hadn't arisen by that point in the series.

By the end of CoS, I think the question of what the DEs would say must have
come up in JKR's mind, but Malfoy's lack of reaction to DD may have more to
do with his self-restraint in DD's presence than anything else.  Later DEs
might or might not flinch, hiss, or whatever, just as you might jump the
first time you heard someone curse, but not likely the second time.  

For me, the only puzzler is Quirrell, but I think we can chalk that up to an
undeveloped sub-plot.   I don't there is any other example in the books of a
(known) DE speaking LV's name.  DD, McGonagall, Hagrid, Sirius, Rhemus, DD,
Harry, Hermione -- anyone else? -- are all enemies of LV.

Let's see, who else speaks the name Voldemort?   Tom Riddle, of course, but
he IS LV, after a fashion.  Aha! (PoA):

"Innocent, but scared!" squealed Pettigrew. "If Voldemort's supporters
were after me, it was because I put one of their best men in Azkaban --
the spy, Sirius Black!"

So Pettigrew also spoke the name.

Barty Crouch, Sr., spoke the name at Bagman's trial (GoF):
"Ludovic Bagman, you were caught passing information to Lord Voldemort's
supporters," said Mr. Crouch.  

Barty Crouch, Jr., says the name at the end of GoF:

Moody's office came into sharper focus, and so did Moody himself. ... 
He looked as white as Fudge had looked, and both eyes were fixed
unblinkingly upon Harry's face.
"Voldemort's back, Harry?  You're sure he's back?  How did he do it?"

And that's it, through the first four books, anyway.  

It would be a good question to ask JKR some time.  It could simply be that
the whole aspect of DEs being more afraid of speaking the name than others
didn't gel until the fifth book.

Vivamus