Inside Harry's mind

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 117677


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "arrowsmithbt"
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> wrote:
> > 
> >  
> > > Kneasy:
> > > But if it's not an impression, if, as canon suggests, it is a part
> > of Voldy....
> > > Under such circumstances even Dudders would be a super-wizard.
> > 
> > Annemehr:
> > Whoa! I don't think we can go as far as to say that he had such a huge
> > effect on Harry.  Dumbledore did say LV transferred *some* of his
> > powers. Apparently [she said dryly] he did not transfer to Harry the
> > power to charm the people he needed.  We're not sure if "some of his
> > powers" means only certain individual talents (such as Parseltongue),
> > or also a general increase in magical ability. But to me, "some"
> > doesn't even mean as much as "most."
> > 
> > I seemed to have been working on my previous post at the same time you
> > were doing yours, and in it I explained why I thought we should be
> > careful about interpreting Harry's words about a bit of Volemort.  The
> > possibilities are endless, but the conclusion can be few. I'm
> > perfectly happy to explore their implications, but I'm not betting any
> > real money on any of them.
> > 
> 
> Ah. But. On the other hand and taking all things into consideration,
> is it possible for unattached powers to exist?  The way I look at it is
> if I said you can use my eyesight,  but I keep my eyes. Wouldn't  work.
> Magical skills are in and of the wizard that learns them IMO, otherwise 
> they could just be inhaled in the classroom from a jar of 'magic'.
> But as we know it's bloody hard work learning spells,  there is no
> short cut. Unless something that has *already* learned them takes
> up  residence in your mind.
> 
> You may not agree, but I'm taking "a bit of himself" literally. It's
more
> than just powers, it's part of Voldy's spirit, mind, anima that's in
there.
> And it's that anima that generates, or originally generated, the Voldy
> powers that Harry now has for himself.
> 
> Kneasy

Carol notes:
But not all powers are learned. A few (Parseltongue, flying ability,
skill at Quidditch) appear to be innate or genetically inherited. It
appears that James had an inborn talent for Transfiguration and Lily
for Charms, even though they had to learn the particular spells in
order to use those talents. Also some untrained wizards
(eleven-year-olds) have more power than others, and the wands can
sense that. I think Tom Riddle's wand sense his innate but latent
power and Harry's sensed both his inborn latent powers and those he
acquired from Voldemort when Voldemort inadvertently "marked him as
his equal." I don't think Voldie lost his own powers, though he lost
the ability to *use* any except possession (you can't use a wand
without a body), any more than transplanting jellyfish DNA into a
rabbit embryo causes the jellyfish to lose its identity as a jellyfish. 

I think Harry was born with powers similar to those of his parents,
who were talented and fairly powerful wizards but nowhere near as
powerful as Tom Riddle (putting the memory of yourself into a diary so
that you can possess the person who confides in it is no mean feat).
But the bit of Voldie that entered his mind gave him additional powers
that he was not born with, powers which, when fully developed, will
make him Voldie's equal.

IMO, the venomous anger he's been feeling in OoP, but not in the
earlier books, is something new and different, a strengthening of the
bond created by the scar and/or the deliberate manipulation of Harry's
emotions by Voldemort. It's not part of Voldie that has always been in
him. And the traits that might have placed him in Slytherin had he not
protested, presumably the "thirst to prove himself," could as easily
be an inheritance from show off James, who liked to be admired, as the
more obviously ambitious Voldemort. At any rate, there's no mention of
cunning or an attraction to the Dark Arts, presumably the traits that
made the hat instantly scream "Slytherin!" when it touched Draco
Malfoy's head.

Carol