Did DD lie about the Prophecy ?

delwynmarch delwynmarch at yahoo.com
Sat Nov 13 16:13:53 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 117774


I'm still gathering information for my designed-weapon!Harry theory,
and I've come accross another set of questions.

First, let's examine what we believe about the circumstances
surrounding the first prophecy.
- It was delivered months before it would come true.
- It was delivered when Trelawney was talking to DD in the middle of a
crowded pub.
- It was delivered to DD.

Now, let's see about the second prophecy. It was delivered :
- on the afternoon of the day things would happen
- when Harry and Trelawney were alone
- to Harry alone

We don't know anything about how the Seer gift works. Because of that,
we don't know what kinds of conditions it works under, if any. How
practical ! But let's assume that it doesn't just work at random, and
that some kinds of conditions must be met. In that case, the major
differences between the circumstances in which the two prophecies were
given strike me as suspicious.

1. In the second case, the prophecy was given just before it happened.
In the first case, it is supposed to have been given several weeks
before. But is this true ? Could it be that the prophecy was given on
the very day Harry was born ? After all, it would make sense that DD
would be interviewing an applicant to a teaching post in the middle of
the holidays.

2. In the second case, the Prophecy is delivered only to a specific
recipient. In the first one, it is delivered to (potentially) a whole
room of people. Trelawney could have given her second prophecy during
class, for example. But no, she waited for her *only* opportunity to
see Harry in private. Inversely, she supposedly delivered her first
prophecy in circumstances where other people could overhear her. So
I'm wondering : did DD outright lie when he pretended the prophecy was
given in the Hog's head ? After all, *why* would he have interviewed
Trelawney there ? She had taken a room at the pub, granted, but I
would expect that she would have gone up to the castle, to DD's
office, for her interview. That's the way things happen usually :
applicants come to the boss's office. *Especially* when the boss is
not interested in filling the post to start with : DD said he didn't
intend to continue the Divination class. So why would he go all the
way to Hogsmeade to meet a potential applicant, instead of having her
come to her office ? Or did he also lie about the reason he was
meeting her in the first place ? Did he not want some people to know
that he was meeting Trelawney ? Or maybe he never met her to start
with, and he was never the one the prophecy was delivered to. Which
brings me to my third point :

3. In the second case, the prophecy was given to the person who would
be instrumental in making it happen : Harry is the only person really
responsible for making the prophecy come true. Without Harry's plea to
spare Peter's life, Sirius and Remus would have killed Peter, and the
prophecy would never have become true. Of course, other factors
contributed to it, like Remus forgetting to take his potion and
transforming at a most inappropriate time, or Snape failing to make
himself useful, but those were failures to do better, not conscious
decisions to change the course of events. Only Harry did that : only
Harry forced the course of events to change.
In the other case, the prophecy was delivered to someone who
apparently had nothing to do with the whole matter : DD had nothing to
do with Harry being born. Or did he ? DD was neither a member of
Harry's family or his godfather or the Healer helping Lily give birth
(as far as we know) or anything. Why deliver the prophecy to him ?
That raises some interesting possibilities.
a) Maybe DD was *not* the one Trelawney delivered the prophecy to.
Maybe he was an eavesdropper. Maybe he got hold of the prophecy in
some other way (Legilimency). Maybe whoever really received the
prophecy put their memory in DD's pensieve.
b) Maybe DD was *hugely* instrumental in Harry's birth and/or destiny.
Maybe the prophecy was delivered to him because there was something he
needed to do in order to make the prophecy come true. Or maybe he had
*already* done something, and the prophecy was only telling him of the
consequences of his actions.

And what about the eavesdropper ? Did he really exist ? Or did DD
invent him to cover something else ? Did DD purposefully feed a part
of the prophecy to LV ? Did DD manipulate the events leading to GH to
obtain that *precise* result : Scarred!Harry and Vapormort ?

What do you think ?

Del







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