Re: JKR’s giant mistake?

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No: HPFGUIDX 117809


> Pippin:
> Mistakes, such as the famous wand order mess, are  random 
> and thus as likely to be spectacular as not. An apparent 
> inconsistency which shows signs of having been slipped 
> inconspicuously into innocent chapters, and occurs only in one 
> direction, so that we don't have Dumbledore or Sirius saying "the 
> Dark Lord", smacks of intent rather than coincidence. But I could 
> be wrong.

Neri:
There is an obvious explanation to the one-sidedness of the mistake.
JKR thinks of Voldemort as "Voldemort". Therefore she is liable to
forget from time to time and use the name in the words of a character
who wouldn't use it. There is no reason for the opposite mistake to
happen. I suspect these "Voldemort's" cases are glimpses of the
puppeteer caught for a second behind her puppets. 

> 
> Renee:
> > > I keep saying we need more information, though I agree with 
>  everyone  who said that saying "Voldemort" doesn't separate the 
> white sheep  from the black.<<
> 
> Pippin:
> I think we have all the information we need. Sirius and Lupin who 
> use   the name freely, were still suspected of being spies and 
> Death Eaters during VWI.

Neri:
It seems many of the good characters don't like it when people are
saying the name, and don't always realize that this is likely to be a
proof of courage. Quite the opposite, in fact, they are likely to see
it as something suspicious as often as not. DD is above suspicion, but
DD (as Snape says) is great enough to use the name, and DD was always
considered a bit crazy even by many of his admirers (Percy and Ron in
SS/PS, for example). But even Ron doesn't like it when Harry uses the
name, and the Order members don't like it when Sirius uses it. I think
that during WVI they were likely to see this behavior suspicious in a
young person just out of Hogwarts. It might paint him as having
something to do with the dark arts rather than a brave man.

But I won't be surprised if Harry is going to change this in VWII and
teach everybody to say the name, and then the DE's might really be in
trouble. 

> Pippin: 
> Pettigrew also  must have used it before -- at least, Sirius 
> remarks that Pettigrew is now afraid of it, "What, scared to hear 
> your old master's name?" said Black. "I don't blame you Peter. 
> His lot aren't very happy with you, are they?" -PoA ch 19. 

Neri:
This is a good point. Sirius thinks Pettigrew flinches because he
betrayed Voldemort. So do only DEs that betrayed Voldemort have a
problem with the name? This would fit with Snape's behavior. Or is it
all of them, but Sirius doesn't know about it, so he just explains
Pettigrew flinching in the most logical way?

But I think it is clear that Sirius at least, and probably most of the
good guys (perhaps excluding only DD), don't realize that the DEs have
a thing about the name. I think Sirius and Lupin started to say the
name for the same reason Hermione did, in defiance against their fear.

> > barmaid tries again to enter this thread:
> > 
> > I will pose my question from further up this thread here again.  
> When  did people stop saying the name and why?  It seems 
> likely that there  was a time when it was widely spoken -- it is 
> certainly widely known - - so when and how did this name taboo 
> come in to play.<
> 
> Pippin
> I think it is analogous to the name of G-d in the Hebrew 
> scriptures, which the pious may write but not speak. Hagrid isn't 
> afraid to write the name down, only insecure about how to spell 
> it. 
> 

Neri:
Perhaps the devil would be a more proper example. I think that in many
religions addressing him by name is thought to be similar to summoning
him.

Stacey wrote in #117789:
When I first noticed in PS/SS that Hagrid wouldn't easily
say "Voldemort" and then when Harry does in front of someone (Ron,
Hagrid? I don't have SS to refer to) and gets told to say "He-who-
must-not-be-named" it reminded me of people and cancer. There are
still older people who refer to cancer and whisper it when discussing
it. The purpose of the whispering that if you can't be heard
discussing it, it can't affect you. It is driven by fear. Even with
Voldemort "gone" for 11 years, people still remember their fear of
him so clearly that they can't say the name.

Neri:
This is the amazing thing. We are told next to nothing about how this
fear of the name developed. What are its origins? So Voldy was a
terrorist and killed many people, but still why are so many people
fear the name? What exactly are they scared of? As Pippin and Stacy
pointed out, it seems to be fear of something unnatural.

There is of course Valky's theory that the fear of Voldemort's name is
the source of its power, which made me go into all the research in the
first place:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/104274

Neri