The Second Prophecy plus a correction

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No: HPFGUIDX 117995


Bookworm:
Kneasy's theory has a certain logic by itself. The problem I  have 
with ESE!Sirius and ESE!Lupin theories is James. Was he such a bad 
judge of character that -two- of his best friends went over to 
Voldemort?

Annemehr:
All of his friends! All three of them! Well, maybe not. :) The ESE 
theories can stand alone, so really, any combination of them can be 
true, as long as it includes ESE!Peter (now there's a challenge: come
up with an Innocent!Peter theory!). 

Bookworm:
I was counting either Sirius or Lupin plus Peter.  As I said up-
thread, Peter is definitely guilty now, even if he was the fall guy 
as Secret-Keeper.  I don't think that, but some do.  I really
don't see JKR making all of James' friends evil.  Especially if you 
are right that Hermione is.  The message to the reader then is that 
nobody can be trusted.  

Annemehr:
But going by "Snapes Worst Memory," I could readily believe that 
James was not so good at choosing friends when he was young and 
arrogant. I'm sure Lily's good; she's probably the one who deflated 
his head, but he never broke with his friends, evil or not.

Bookworm:
In the Three Broomsticks, McGonagall described James and Sirius as a 
pair of troublemakers. It also sounds like James was the leader of 
their group, so others might have shown bad judgment in following 
him, not the other way around.  We were told that James despised the 
Dark Arts.  He is also the one whose friendship prompted Sirius into 
rejecting his family's dark attitude.  Some people have argued
that the Pensieve scene shows them as evil.  I think there is more 
to that scene than what we have seen so far and am withholding 
judgment until we get that info.  

According to Sirius, it was Lily who calmed some of James' wilder 
tendencies, so I agree with your comment about her.

Annemehr:
I keep coming back to Kreacher. I notice that during the Christmas 
holiday, between the kids' arrival (when Sirius told 
Kreacher "Out!") and Kreacher's reappearance, Sirius was much more 
cheerful. There was a noticeable relapse in his mood just before 
term started again, after Kreacher's return. Again, the time Harry 
used Umbridge's fire to talk to Lupin and Sirius about Snape's 
memory in the pensieve, Kreacher was also missing ("hiding in the 
attic again"), and Sirius was again in a good humor.

Bookworm:
I agree the idea has a lot going for it.  That along with his 
knowledge of the Order is what makes his post-OoP activities 
interesting.  It may have been suggested before, but think of the 
possibilities if Kreacher and Winky join forces in their hatred for 
Harry.  Just what powers do house-elves have that wizards don't?

Ravenclaw Bookworm