Plot in OotP

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 118077


Lupinlore:

> I think, Alla, that many of us simply don't have much confidence 
that 
> JKR *will* continue on to connect the dots.  Lets face it, her 
record 
> for coherence of plot points isn't always very good.  Dumbledore 
> supposedly loves Harry but leaves him to be abused by the Dursleys 
> and Snape.  Sirius manages to spend twelve years in Azkaban despite 
> the existance of both Veritaserum and Legilemency.  The supposed 
> fearful Dark Wizards seem to forget the Unforgiveables in their 
> battle with a bunch of teenagers.  The Ministry is so poorly 
guarded 
> a bunch of teenagers evades the security in the most secure area, 
the 
> Department of Mysteries.  The list goes on and on.
> 
> Therefore we have the deep sinking feeling that a lot of the plot 
> points and themes brought up in OOTP will never be followed up. The 
> DA will probably appear in the future, but Umbridge and her 
attempted 
> murder may never be mentioned again.  Harry may be allowed a couple 
> of pages to mourn Sirius and then all of the complicated emotional 
> and moral questions arising in the wake of Sirius' death, including 
> those concerning Harry and Dumbledore's relationship, might well 
get 
> swept under the rug.  The issue of Snape's behavior will not be 
> addressed believably, but instead some contrived plot point 
(i.e. "I 
> trust Severus Snape") will be used so that Snape can continue to 
act 
> the same with no consequences.  The questions about Harry's 
emotions 
> and the damage inflicted by the Dursleys and others will be allowed 
> to lapse.  
> 
> That is the fear that many have about OOTP.  That instead of 
> providing the introduction of important and interesting themes that 
> will be followed closely and brought to a conclusion, it will in 
the 
> end be just a collection of briefly mentioned topics that get 
brushed 
> aside and never again acknowledged or explored, or else will be 
dealt 
> with in ways that are simplistic and contrived.
> 


Alla:

Oh, I do see your point very well. I did say that I reserve the 
judgment, did not I? if she does not connect the dots, as I expect 
her too, I will be annoyed.

You are absolutely right - I can start very very long rant on Sirius 
and Veritaserum, incredibly long in fact. Did she even give 
satisfactory explanation, ever?

Well, on the subject of Snape's behaviour, I guess I still have more 
faith in her than you are. I do expect that his behaviour will be 
addressed on much more in depth level than "I trust Snape", or as I 
said quite a few times, I expect a very nicely done carmic payback.

I think she is actually very good in issuing those. Sirius spent 
twelve years in Azkaban for nothing (unless you believe he is ESE, of 
course, which I don't) I consider it to be a carmic payback for 
whatever he done to Snape in their youth. You know, case closed, paid 
in full, all that stuff.
Since I believe that Snape also did quite a few nasty things to 
Sirius in their youth, I cannot wait to know what he is going to 
get :o)

Ron hurt Harry in GoF and got Harry screaming at him for nothing in 
OOP, etc.,etc.

So, I guess I believe that she can connect the dotes.

Dumbledore left Harry at Dursleys. Well, we are ready to look for 
deep answers, but what if indeed he simply had no other choice, that 
harry would not be safe anywhere else? What if the simple answer is 
indeed a true one? 

On the subject of DE not issuing unforgivables in the MOM battle... 
Well, I am ready to suspend disbelief, because I strongly believe 
that books are oriented towards younger readers and she does not want 
to have too much violence in it.
Even within the story, they were mainly concerned with Harry, so no 
wonder they did not pay too much attention to other kids. Kind of.

Yes, yes, and yes if Harry "mastering his emotions" will mean that he 
will be happy and healthy and ready to fight Voldemort on the second 
page of HBP, I will be ready to throw the book out of the window, 
literally. :o)

The books are not psychological treatise, but she introduced abuse 
and grief as reaistic emotions for Harry and I do want her to follow 
up on it.

As I said, I am willing to cut her some slack and see what happens.