The length of the Pensieve Scene
curlyhornedsnorkack
easimm at yahoo.com
Fri Nov 19 23:09:20 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 118233
> "curlyhornedsnorkack" <easimm at y...> wrote:
> > Can you address the character's motives for taking advantage of
> > a beautiful day to sit in a dense shade? Why didn't he set off
> > for a nicer place, most likely the shade of the tree under which
> > the Marauders settled, if he was unaware of them? Or why didn't
> > he sit closer to the girls?
>
> Hickengruendler:
> Sorry for my bluntness, but Snape can sit whereever he wants. Also,
> assuming that the memory is objective (which I'm sure it is. I know
> you are disagreeing, but let's assume for a moment it is), then it
> doesn't matter if Snape might have planned something. Because this
> had nothing to do with James and Sirius' motives. James and Sirius
> attacked Snape because they were bored, not because they suspected
> that Snape might attack them any minute.
>
> There is another scene that confirms the memory. When Harry told
> Sirius and Remus about the incident, they didn't deny it. They didn't
> say: "Well, the Pensieve is not objective. Snape started the fight."
> They didn't even protest when Harry blamed them for bullying Snape
> just because they were bored. Don't you think they would have said
> something, if the situation weren't the way it seemed? If not for
> their own sake, than surely for James'. I'm sure they don't want
> Harry to believe such things about his father, if James never did
> them. But instead they only said that James grew out of it, and that
> Snape wasn't an innocent angel either. Which I'm sure is the truth,
> but Sirius and Remus didn't do anything to correct Harry's view about
> James deeds in this scene.
Snape can sit where ever he pleases, that's fine with me. But the fact
is that clues are there, including ones that don't depend on what you
believe about the pensieve (see my previous messages) indicating that
Snape was possibly doing more than just unluckily sitting in the wrong
place. I haven't said that the Marauders were justified in the way
they treated Snape. They certainly are bullies whatever Snape was
doing. But it is possible they are annoyed with Snape for a specific
reason. What was James supposed to say to Lily about the reason (I
suspect) James was punishing Snape? "Snape's trying to expose our
friend" wouldn't do, because it might set tongues waggling among other
students? Or does James give a no-good-reason, such as "Because he
exists" (OOTP) to stop inquiries flat? Also, just because Snape is
bullied and treated badly doesn't mean he didn't have any harmful, or
just harmless nosy intents himself.
There are two more possible clues - note the "possible". If by "Buried
in his exam questions..." JKR means he was holding the exam page in
front of his face, then Snape could have been hiding his face. Also,
the exam page is only one page as far as I can deduce. What's taking
Snape so long to read the page? By the way, what is an exam paper
exactly? Is it some sort of paper you give to students so that they
can learn the right answers? I didn't grow up in the UK.
"curlyhornedsnorkack"
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