Two Wormtails was Re: Plot in OotP (wand confusion)

[Renee]

No: HPFGUIDX 118357


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
wrote:
> 
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Renee" 
> <R.Vink2 at c...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Even so, I don't quite understand the argument, because if 
> James had  known there was a spy called *Wormtail*, would he 
> even have taken the slightest risk to make Peter his Secret 
> Keeper? And for the taunt to work, James must have known. <
> 
> Pippin:
> A good point, but  we've been told explicitly, in OOP, that 
> Voldemort's taunts don't always work. Harry's visions of the 
> Department of Mysteries were supposed to taunt him into going 
> after the prophecy, but Dumbledore hadn't told him about it, 
> contrary to Voldemort's assumptions.
> 
> The same sort of thing could have happened here. Voldemort 
> assumed that the name "Wormtail" would get back to James, but 
> Dumbledore kept it to himself. 
> 
Renee:
Yes, that was the missing piece of information. But I'm afraid it 
doesn't sound very convincing to me. Dumbledore knows the spy is 
someone close to the Potters, yet it never occurs to him to mention 
the name Wormtail to James, just in case? He doesn't even mention it 
when James declines his offer to become Secret Keeper? 

I'm sorry, but I just can't believe Dumbledore would pull this much 
of a Lupin on the Potters. It's not a case of keeping information 
behind to avoid telling someone a harsh fact, like not mentioning 
the Prophecy to Harry. You have the code name of a spy, you know the 
small group in which to seek him, three lives are at stake and you 
are a Legilimens, so you just sit back? 

Also, you find out, years afterwards, that James *did* know someone 
nicknamed Wormtail. You wonder why Voldemort has used Snape to pass 
this name on to you and reach the conclusion it was a ruse (and 
perhaps a taunt). So, the rat animagus Wormtail wasn't the real spy, 
and therefore it must have been Sirius after all... or Lupin. You 
are still a Legilimens, but instead of subjecting both of them to 
your scrutiny you let your first suspect fly away on a Hippogryff 
and your second suspect walk out of Hogwarts with a Grindylow tank 
under his arm? 

This means you're either a complete idiot or a cruel and capricious 
deity playing with the lives and fates of your creatures. Either 
way, I don't think you're JKR's Dumbledore.

Renee