Two Wormtails was Re: Plot in OotP (wand confusion)

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 118499


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "nkafkafi" 
<nkafkafi at y...> wrote:
> 
> > Pippin:
> > 
> > In GoF, there was no mystery that was nicely solved by the 
> > existence of two Barty's unless and until you had convinced 
> > yourself  that Moody was a fake. <snip>
> 
> Neri:
> As I wrote upthread, there was such a mystery. It was "what 
 was `Barty Crouch' in the map doing in Snape's office". This 
mystery was properly introduced to the readers (Harry, Ron, 
Hermione and  Sirius all discussed it. I don't have the books with 
me so I can't  pull the exact quotes). Yes, identifying fake!Moody 
was needed for  the complete solution, but the `Barty Crouch' 
mystery was introduced  to the reader regardless. The mystery of 
the Two Wormtails was never  introduced to the reader, nor even 
hinted.<

Pippin:
::raises eyebrows::

"Hero-worshipped Black and Potter. Never quite in their league, 
talent-wise."-- PoA ch 10

"Stupid boy... foolish boy...he was always hopeless at 
duelling."--PoA ch 10

"Peter needed all the help he could get from James and 
Sirius."--PoA ch 18

"Then, before I could curse him, he blew apart the street with the 
wand behind his back, killed everyone within twenty feet of 
himself  -- and sped down into the sewer with the other rats." 
--PoA ch 19

"I'll never understand why I didn't see you were the spy from the 
start." -- PoA ch 19

"a weak, talentless thing like you" -- PoA ch 19

"You will do it quietly and without fuss; I only wish I could do it 
myself, but in my present condition...come Wormtail, one more 
obstacle removed and our path to Harry Potter is clear. I am not 
asking you to do it alone. By that time my *faithful* servant will 
have rejoined us." --GoF ch 1


"It just makes me...wonder whether...if *[Cedric]'d* known it 
all...he'd still be alive...."[...]
"He did know this stuff," said Harry heavily."He was really good at 
it, or he could never have got to the middle of that maze. But if 
Voldemort really wants to kill you, you don't stand a chance." 
--OOP ch 21

  The GoF exerpt makes clear that Voldemort didn't feel secure 
enough to take on Mad-eye with Wormtail!Peter alone. Odd, if 
Peter is really so powerful after all. 

The last exerpt has the  discussion you were looking for. Of 
course what Harry isn't saying is that Voldemort didn't duel with 
Cedric, it was Wormtail, holding Voldemort's wand, as confirmed 
by JKR. So either Voldemort ordered "Kill the spare," and Cedric 
stood there like a doofus while Harry was collapsing in pain, 
Wormtail!Peter shifted his burden to one arm, got Voldemort's 
wand out of his robes, aimed it and killed him, or there was 
somebody else there, who obeyed the command instantly.

By the way, if Voldemort knows a spell that will kill everyone 
within twenty feet  with a wand held behind him, he really missed 
a bet when he was fleeing the Ministry. 

So will the real Wormtail please stand up?



Neri:
> This is not merely going out on a limb, it is going out on a limb 
of  a limb of a limb. I think the only reason you are still up there
is 
 that even gravity can't follow the intricate reasoning ;-)

Pippin:
LOL! But timid speculations are just as speculative as bold 
ones. Unless you  have hacked your way into JKR's computer, 
there's no way to know whether your ideas about how to solve 
the mysteries above are any closer to JKR's planned resolution 
than mine.

Pippin