The Vision : Harry wasn't sleeping

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 118513


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Tammy" <elsyee_h at y...> wrote:
> 
> Del wrote:
> 
> *major snipping*
> 
> > And what makes things even odder is that this is precisely the
> > occurence when LV finally manages to get the whole vision through
> > to Harry. He's had innumerable occasions before (pretty much every
> > night), but he never managed. And yet this time, when Harry is
> > apparently *not* sleeping, LV manages to take the boy through the
> > whole vision.
> > 
> > Does anyone have any explanation for that ?

 
> Tammy replies:
> 
> I think it's partially as it is explained by Dumbledore, that Harry
> dreamt the vision before because LV was obsessed with getting the
> prophecy. Once LV realized the connection however, I think that LV
> kept "sending" the prophecy to Harry, hoping to entice him to
> wondering about the prophecy (as partially explained by one of the
> DEs, too lazy to look up which one at this point). 
> 

bboyminn:

The DE in question would be Lucius Malfoy in the Hall of Prophecies;
when he finds out that Harry doesn't know about his own unique
prophecy, Malfoy says he wondered why Harry never came for the
prophecy earlier.

That implies that prior to this Voldemort was indeed projecting images
 to Harry, and growing frustrated with Harry's lack of response.

> Tammy continues:
>
> I think it's a simple matter of LV sent the full vision when he was
> good and ready, and everything was set up for Harry. I don't think
> he would have tried it at night anyhow, as it would have been 
> perhaps more difficult for Harry to verify that Sirius was indeed 
> gone? I don't think that LV had a hard time getting the full vision 
> to Harry prior to that incident, I think he just didn't want to.
> 
> -Tammy

bboyminn:

Voldemort is an extremely intelligent, skilled, and experienced
wizard. I suspect that he is skilled enough to exploit the
/connection/ once he discovers it. As a consequence, while he does NOT
have /Harry Vision/, he is able to sense Harry's state of mind and
determine when Harry's mind is open and vulnerable to suggestion. He
then, in these moments of vulnerability, exploits this awareness of
Harry's state by projecting the vision he wants Harry to see.

I can see no other logical explanation as to why he would project that
vision at 4:00 or 5:00 o'clock in the afternoon. As Hermione points
out, Voldemort and Sirius being in the Ministry is highly unlikely to
nearly impossible. So, I think Voldmeort simply sense the momentary
vulnerability and exploited it.

The book doesn't say that Harry fell asleep, but I think it implies
it, and I think we are meant to assume it. If I recall correctly Harry
didn't sleep at all the previous night, they all stayed up talking.
When you are that tried, and somewhat immobile in a chair, and you
close your eyes and rest your head, you are going to drop off in a
second. 

I think that's what the book is trying to imply, that Harry rested his
head, closed his eyes, and the fatigue overwhelmed him. Voldemort was
making one of his frequent checks on Harry's state of mind, saw the
vulnerability, and as unlikely as the vision scene was, projected it
in the hope that Harry's response to Sirius in trouble would override
any common sense analysis. 

Note since Voldemort became aware of the connection, and since the
time when Rookwood gave Voldemort the correct information about the
prophecy and the Dept of Mysteries, Harry's visions have been
progressing. That is, each vision seems to take him a little closer to
 the objective. Voldemort is unaware that Harry doesn't know about the
prophecy, and out of frustration, eventually comes up with the plan to
exploit the information given to him (indirectly) by Kreacher. If
Harry won't come for the Prophecy itself, then perhaps he will come to
 that location to rescue a friend. Either way Voldemort doesn't care,
he doesn't care why Harry comes, he just needs to get Harry into the
Dept of Mysteries - Hall of Prophecies. When the original 'Hall of
Prophecies' vision fails, Voldemort switches to Plan B - 'Friend in
Trouble'. 

What Harry lacks in curiousity, he more than make up in his 'saving
people thing'. 

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn (was bboy_mn)