bullies? twins, padfoot and prongs

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No: HPFGUIDX 118647


Kim here, stepping in with her own point of view...

Valky's fuller quote, written in response to potioncat:
I have had this discussion before, potioncat. Have you checked your
HP timeline lately? Why? In the time of the reign of Voldemort, when 
a mad "DARK ARTS" wizard is killing anyone and any innocent thing he 
comes across, this is the time we are referring to. How can you 
possibly question whether the Dark Arts are worse than childish 
pranks. He is killing people, potioncat. It's like asking a semite if 
they'd rather a brown coat in their house or a frog in their bed.
Your question is ridiculous. Sorry, potioncat I am getting a bit 
personal there. I don't mean to bite, it's just a pretty significant 
point to me.

Hickengruendler responded to Valky:
Is he [killing people, added by Kim]? Well, maybe yes, as a Death 
Eater, that's possible. But I'm sure he wasn't killing people as a 
student. If he were, and everybody would have known that, then for 
sure he would be in Azkaban. The problem is, that we don't know what 
the Dark Arts really are.  Are they just the Unforgivable Curses? Or 
is it just delving into dangerous magic? Anyway, there's nothing to 
suggest that teenage Snape was killing people left and right. In 
fact, canon contradicts this.

Kim now:
I don't think Valky was referring to "he" Snape, but to "he" 
Voldemort.  So starting with that clarification (and maybe Valky has 
already made the same clarification by the time I post this and stick 
my nose in where it perhaps doesn't belong...), maybe Valky's post 
should be re-read... 

Hickengreundler continued:
Snape told Dumbledore, that Sirius proved himself to be able to 
commit murder at the age of sixteen. If Snape did so, too, and for 
some inexcusable reason weren't sent to Azkaban, then surely 
Dumbledore would have reminded him of that. And even if he did, then 
the Marauders couldn't have known about that, because they would have 
told Harry (at least Sirius would, for sure). We did saw him killing 
flies, but then, I'm sure we all have already killed a fly. And at 
least one of the so-called childish pranks from Sirius could very 
well have killed Snape. How do we know that Sirius didn't attempt 
murder here?  Maybe Snape's suspicion was right. And it's not that 
Sirius ever felt sorry for this.

[signed]
Hickengruendler, who really thinks, that if the storyline weren't 
told from Harry's point of view but from a more objective one, Sirius 
would look as bad as Snape.  A nasty, prejudiced and dangerous man 
(with a sad life, that makes his behaviour understandable), who 
nonetheless decided to fight for the good site. It's just Harry's 
rose-coloured point of view, that makes look Sirius better

Kim adds:
I don't think the story is actually being told from Harry's point of 
view, in which case it would be written in the first person (the way 
the novel Lolita or The remains of the day are, for example).  
Although even then, since it's fiction, it would still be JKR's point 
of view...

Nevertheless, it seems clear what Hickengreundler's point of view is 
and we're all entitled to our own point of view after all, no matter 
how wrong we may be....  ;-)

Kim (who hopes her point of view doesn't suggest that she doesn't 
agree with Hickengreundler's point of view of Snape and Sirius, 
because she mostly does)